Why is the 21 year old woman posing as a boy not trans?

[2Rebecca]

The BBC news site has a story about a 21 year old woman "disguising herself" as a boy to have relationships with underage girls that involved sexual assaults. It sounds predatory and dysfunctional but I'm interested in the BBC's language here. Why isn't this woman a transman and therefore special and her biological sex irrelevant and the teenage girls complaining terrible transphobes?

Hooves again, how do you know what she identifies as?

Has she said that she identifies as a transman?

She hasn’t identified as a man as far as I am aware, but as I pointed out, it is not in her interests to do so.

I don't think that we can ascribe labels to people though.

If she is a transman then it's up to her to say so. I can't see why it's not in her interest. Transmen aren't put into male prisons.

Why are trans men not in men’s prisons?! Trans women are put into women’s prisons because they are women! Why should it be different for trans men?

I don't think that we can ascribe labels to people though.

Unless it’s cis or terf or swerf or any other label people want to stick on to women to tell them they’re wrong, bigoted, and should diaf hey. Then it’s all just dandy.

Well, I don't agree with that either.

The only person who can know if this person is trans or not, is the person themselves.

As it stands, she's a woman who has committed sexual assault against under age girls.

How can you say...

The only person who can know if this person is trans or not, is the person themselves.

And then label them ‘woman’ with ‘she’ pronoun

As it stands, she's a woman who has committed sexual assault against under age girls.

Do you know this person?

I'm just going by what is being reported. Until they announce anything to the contrary that is what she has been convicted of and as, isn't it?

Why are people here so keen to label this person a transman? Is it because you can't beat to accept that a woman could commit a sexually motivated crime like this and so it's easier if you can label them a transman?

Why are people here so keen to label this person a transman? Is it because you can't beat to accept that a woman could commit a sexually motivated crime like this and so it's easier if you can label them a transman?

None of the above for me. I’m just interested in why you are so keen to label someone apropos of nothing, when usually you want to make sure FWR isn’t a hive mind that erroneously labels everything.

Who am I labelling? All of the reports that I've read start that this was a woman pretending to be a man. There's no suggestion that she is a transman.

As I said earlier, if someone disguises themselves as a police officer in order to commit a crime, would you insist that they are a police officer?

Why are people here so keen to label this person a transman? Is it because you can't beat to accept that a woman could commit a sexually motivated crime like this and so it's easier if you can label them a transman?

Absolutely not. This is a biological woman convicted of sexual assault. If she was trans, she would still be a biological woman convicted of a sexual assault. However, trans rights activists have been pushing the narrative that any man who identified as a woman is a woman and therefore belongs in a women’s prison, and this has happened on multiple occasions, putting biological women at risk, but benefitting the convicted man.

If you accept that ideology then trans men are men and should be in a male prison. But what defence lawyer would argue that? What psychiatrist would recommend that? What family or friends would campaign for that?

Because really, we all know that men are men whatever they identify as, and women are women whatever they identify as. And that women are way more likely to be victims of violence from men, and placing a young vulnerable woman in a male prison would be unacceptable.

However, trans rights activists have been pushing the narrative that any man who identified as a woman is a woman and therefore belongs in a women’s prison,

So where is the evidence that she identifies as a transman?

So as someone who cared about her, you would want her in a female prison, so you would discourage her from disclosing her status. If you were a trans rights activist you should campaign for a trans man to be in a male prison or risk exposing the hypocrisy and misogyny that underpins the TRA ideology.

It is not in anyone’s interest for her to identify as trans. And that is very, very different to the situation for trans women.

So where is the evidence that she identifies as a transman?

Where is the evident he doesn’t?

You’re being very rude and transphobic and assuming of someone else’s identity, Hooves.

I’d not want to push it either way because Bearsinmotion makes an important point and I’d not want to endanger a FTM, or MTF, or non-binary person into outing themselves.

I’m sure you understand Hearhoovesthinkzebras

so where is the evidence that she identifies as a transman?

There isn’t any.

And it is in her best interest, and those of the powerful trans rights lobby to keep it that way.

You’re being very rude and transphobic and assuming of someone else’s identity, Hooves.

So it's transphobic to refuse to label someone as trans when they haven't said themselves that they are trans? Ok, then.

All I've seen reported is that this person is a lesbian who was ashamed to say as much so you deciding as a result that she is a transman rather than a lesbian is surely homophobic?

Anyway, regardless of whether he is a transman or she is a lesbian or they are gender neutral they are a convicted sex offender and as such I couldn't care less if they are locked up and the key thrown away.

I'll save all of my sympathy for the victims.

You keep applying labels Hooves. It’s a worry.

I do agree that in all this it’s the poor bloody girls who’ve been abused. I hope they get all the help they need.

Re your I couldn't care less if they are locked up and the key thrown away.

If you’re right, and this person is convicted (I’m not a judge, or jury, so I’m not about to pronounce judgement), which prison do you put them in, before you toss the key?

Again see posts by Bearsinmotion and think carefully.

What prison? Couldn't care less. Though if it's a women's prison I hope she is segregated so that she can't abuse any other women in there.

I wish Karen White had been segregated. Guess that would have been transphobic. Never mind the women that suffered for that vanity. Ho hum hey Hooves.

Why are you holding me responsible for that? Karen White should also have been segregated, as should all sex offenders imo.

Why are you holding me responsible for that?

Eh?

Well why did you address that comment to me then?

Hearhoovers
Just wondering about this. People who are not trans are called cis, regardless of they identify as such. They say (TRAs, Stonewall) It's a descriptor, trans and cis, it's Latin etc...
However, the stonewall umbrella would include this female as fluid or gnc or many of the other identitys wouldn't they?
Regardless if I identify as cis I'm told I'm cis. So how is this person not trans?

You’re being very rude and transphobic and assuming of someone else’s identity, Hooves

Hooves isn't but I see you're playing your "ooh you are so transphobic" game again.