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Scottish GRA consultation

158 replies

SidJS · 06/01/2020 18:37

Ends 17th March

Does anyone have the link / email address to submit responses to? All can and need to respond - not just the Scots!

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littlbrowndog · 09/01/2020 10:04

My government can piss right off with calling women in Scotland non trans women

Imagine if they put a statement out.

Women of Scotland you are now non trans women

Fuckers woke fuckers

littlbrowndog · 09/01/2020 10:06

I know eresh.

We have peaked. 🤣

Hit the sun 😮

Ereshkigal · 09/01/2020 10:07
Grin
Sexequality · 09/01/2020 10:31

That ‘no man would even falsely claim to be transgender to access women and girls’ claim again. Enter the priesthood, train to be teachers, give up hours to lead scouts, sit in a septic tank yes, claim to be woman no.

Sexequality · 09/01/2020 10:32

Not that they need to claim anything as they can just wonder in and nobody would be allowed to say a thing.

Meercatsarecats · 09/01/2020 10:32

I thought they had already had a consultation about this?
What happened to it?
Will they just keep consulting until they get the answer they want?
Any news about the consultation in England that closed October 2018?

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 09/01/2020 10:50

Why can’t they admit that even if they think TW are all fluffy bunnies some predatory men will abuse self ID????

There is nothing to even charge a man with if he stares at my daughter getting dressed if he has also self ID’d as a TW to be in that changing room.

The complete disregard for the real lives of women & girls makes me furious.

Igneococcus · 09/01/2020 11:43

The moderators didn't let my comment with the link to the consultation through. I don't know why they often (not always) object to links.

Pandoraslastchance · 09/01/2020 12:15

I am sitting in my chemo unit having my cancer treatment, burning with anger and rage at reading this!!!! I've only had a left mastecomy so does that make me a demi woman according to this fuckwads?

How fucking dare they!!!

NonnyMouse1337 · 09/01/2020 12:23

Igneococcus not sure why they would delete your comment with the link, unless the deletion was based on something else within the comment.

I post it on Page 2 and so far it's still up.

Here it is again for reference.

consult.gov.scot/family-law/gender-recognition-reform-scotland-bill/

snowblight · 09/01/2020 12:30

Why can’t they admit that even if they think TW are all fluffy bunnies some predatory men will abuse self ID????

If trans people are already using the facilities of choice why are all these supposed predatory men waiting for self-ID? If there was an issue it would be happening now.

soloula · 09/01/2020 12:44

Thanks Nonny Have bookmarked for submission nearer the date.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 09/01/2020 12:45

Right, so that's women with PCOS, women who've had mastectomies, and women who're infertile who're being told that we're not really women. Is there any other group of women they'd like to insult while they're at it?

Igneococcus · 09/01/2020 12:52

I don't know nonny there wasn't anything in my comment that could warrant deletion. It was basically "if you like to contribute to the consultation, here is the link"
I've had links refused before and others that got through.

littlbrowndog · 09/01/2020 12:55

Cmon kittens. There’s no women in Scotland anymore

Just trans women and non trans women

Ereshkigal · 09/01/2020 12:59

If trans people are already using the facilities of choice why are all these supposed predatory men waiting for self-ID?

They aren't. Otherwise we'd be bumping into them all the time. Outside very woke locations, we aren't. Please don't even try to claim that we wouldn't notice male people in women's spaces. We do.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 09/01/2020 13:12

So wait, are men covered under "non trans women" too? I mean technically...

I must tell my dad that his new official identity is "not a trans woman" and that's really all anyone needs to know about him. I'm sure he'll be chuffed to bits.

OldCrone · 09/01/2020 15:02

If trans people are already using the facilities of choice why are all these supposed predatory men waiting for self-ID? If there was an issue it would be happening now.

You do understand that self-ID means being able to change your legally recognised sex, don't you? That's not the same as popping into the ladies' toilets.

Here's the current prison policy for transgender prisoners.
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/825621/transgender-pf.pdf

"all individuals who are transgender must be initially allocated to part of the estate which matches their legally recognised gender (or best-known evidence where legal gender is not known)."

Don't you think being legally recognised as a woman might become fairly popular amongst rapists and paedophiles?

Ereshkigal · 09/01/2020 15:06

It's interesting that the government says that 1 in 50 males in the prison system now identifies as transgender. That's double the proposed number of trans people in the general population. Any ideas why, snow?

soloula · 09/01/2020 15:44

I've a friend who works in the prison service and I was asking her if she has to deal with trans inmates. She does and when I asked her why there were so many she said "because they're fucking bored"...

Sexequality · 09/01/2020 15:52

Trying to remember where I saw it but there was an academic paper or report where the author stated that they had refused transition to some men because their stated motives was to enable access to women and children. Anyone remember this? If so anyone got a link?

OldCrone · 09/01/2020 18:23

It's interesting that the government says that 1 in 50 males in the prison system now identifies as transgender.

And half of them are sex offenders.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 14/01/2020 08:55

The Scottish Government state that there is no evidence - as far as they can see - that self ID will be exploited, will remove safeguards and lead to abuse of women and girls.

Not to mention the negative impact of self ID on the privacy and dignity of women and girls...

A hear no evil/see no evil policy = no evil happens...

My question for those of you who know law/government policy formation - what is the legal basis of the Scot Government to completely ignore the masses of evidence that self ID / enabling a policy which legally enshrines the rights of adult males right to female only spaces - as a basis for this policy.

If they restate there is no evidence at the end of the consultation period and use this erroneous rationale to implement the policy - can they be sued?

mement0mori · 14/01/2020 12:55

The Scottish Government state that there is no evidence - as far as they can see - that self ID will be exploited, will remove safeguards and lead to abuse of women and girls

This argument is so exasperatingly annoying!
There will never be any evidence because:

  1. No-one is allowed to do any research into trans issues.
  2. No-one is allowed to collect any data where trans women are analysed separately from women (e.g. census data)
  3. Any crimes committed by trans women are now recorded as women's crime so it would be impossible to find evidence within crime data that trans women still posed a male level of risk towards women and girls.
  4. Any crimes committed by men "pretending" to be trans would also be recorded as women's crime because "self-ID".
ThinEndoftheWedge · 10/02/2020 14:17

Does anyone know when the advice on how best to respond to this is likely to be available?

If already available - where can I access it?

Many thanks!

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