Why the Labour Party will not elect a woman

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Just seen the Britain Elects poll of Labour members. Keir Starmer ahead on 31% with Rebecca Long Bailey on 20% and Jess Philips on 11%.

The Labour Party is too male. Even though women desperately need representation, Labour continue to romanticise heavy industry (manly) over the needs of eg retail workers (woman’s work). And even the recent Woke intake are steeped in this rose tinted Marxist Down Pit crap that lauds traditionally male roles.

So yeah the candidates might look like the women are putting on a good show. But a man will win.

I couldn't care less tbh. I will never ever vote for them.

I couldn't care less tbh. I will never ever vote for them.

But surely you care enough about british democracy to care about having a robust and meaningful opposition to hold the government to account so we don’t become a dictatorship by one party? The labour elections are particularly critical for reasoned voters who won’t vote labour but who care enough about our democracy to realise the significance of a strong opposition.

It’s such entrenched misogyny. It’s so depressing.

RLB has an article in the woke and youthful Guardian about her leadership bid. They illustrated her article with ... Miners. Modern day all-men miners complete with dirty faces, high vis vests and muscles on show. Manly men doing honest male work. That’s the heart of it.

What, there were no care worker photos available? Or did they just not look so, um, Labour?

She mentioned miners in her article, the quote is under the photo. There was a big problem with Labour losing ex-mining communities to the Tories so it is pretty topical. Not sure how carers voted.

This is all about the stupidity of modern party politics.

We end up with a man who is part of the southern metroplotan public school male elite because apparently he is more trusted by disenfranchised male blue collar workers.

RLB is the annointed replacement of Corbyn whose southern metropolitan elitism alienated the normal blue collar workers of the north. So queue article which the Guardian has been shown by a media research department to have printed more articles of disinformation about Corbyn than any other paper, in which they are making a joke about RLB with the illustration. As if she would win back the disenfranchised northern voters.

It makes no difference if the candidate is male or female unless their politics reflect it. It is no more about women than having Margaret Thatcher as prime minister was a victory for feminism.

Keir Starmer is the safe blairite candidate that people whose socialism is only as deep as winning their seat will want to elect.

I'm a working-class Northern woman. I don't want Labour to be in power.

Labour speaks about people like me as if we are some kind of pathetic charity case. They want us to sit down and shut up.

Why are they still talking about the mines? They closed 30 years ago and will never be opened back up. I want to hear about the future.

For hundreds of reasons, I would discourage any woman from joining Labour.

The idea that the next leader must be a woman is really stupid.

The next leader must be someone who is capable of making the Labour party electable again.

Keir Starmer is the safe blairite candidate that people whose socialism is only as deep as winning their seat will want to elect

The UK electorate is not interested in hard-line Marxist policies. Hang on to your socialist purity politics if you want and look forward to living in electoral oblivion.

I am a disaffected ex Labour party member and voter. Voted Labour in every election from 1979 to 2015. A female Corbyn clone isn't going to attract me back nor is a female leader just because someone says there must be a female leader.

I agree that it is high time Labour had a female leader. Unfortunately, and more importantly IMO, it's also time that Labour had an electable leader. I see Keir Starmer as the only reasonable choice.

In terms of female political leadership, I'll pin my hopes on Elizabeth Warren at this moment in time.

Agree that Starmer is the only choice for reasons other than sexism. Long Bailey just isn't good enough. Philips I really like though she is very marmite. Hope she gets a shadow cabinet post. @stumbledin the key word in your attack on Starmer is elected. I want a Labour government to be electable and elected. Nothing can be done in any other scenario. Denis Healy was spot on with his statement on the purity / protest group mentality.

We are staring down the barrel of likely as not 10 years of Tory government. The next Labour leader needs to at this stage provide meaningful opposition to the Tories. They also have the thankless task of reigning in the hard left that still believe their message could capture the average British voter (it can’t!). To cap it all off it’s very unlikely that Labour could win the next election (no party has come back from such a devastated position in British political history). In short Labour needs a 5 star political statesman/woman who won’t reap the benefits of their own expertise. Otherwise Labour are in great danger of becoming a spent force in British politics.

I agree that the next Labour leader is unlikely to be PM unless they are exceptional and the Conservatives really, really , catastrophically mess up (and to be honest I don't think they will)

For Labour to win it's going to be a combination of dragging the Labour party back to sanity and the electorate wanting a change as much for the sake of change as anything else. I don't think there is time for that to happen in the next 5 years.

Erm, Elizabeth Warren is completely batshit. Another loony socialist but worse a completely woke one - look into the whole thing about her being part native American Indian - a complete fuck-up of an episode and utter humiliating. If she gets in Americans will probably be made to wear pronoun badges in public as a matter of law.

Re Labour though I actually find it utterly hilarious that they claim to be the party of social justice and yet have never had an elected female leader. Like everything else - their policies on private and grammar education, racism etc - it's one rule for them and another for everyone else.

Labour is a vipers nest of misogynists, racists and hypocrites, repped none other than the most misogynist, racist hypocrite of them all - Jeremy Corbyn.

Why the hell is Jess Phillips not considered electable? She's state-educated, Northern and female, she could appeal to the London champagne socialists and Norther workers. But no - let's all instead vote for a privately-educated man who was single-handedly responsible for almost letting black cab rapist John Worboys out on bail (because he didn't prosecute him for all the rapes, only a handful).

Seriously fuck Labour. Put the old dog out of its misery and let's try and build something else.

Just on a point of order, I don’t think Starmer was privately educated was he? his Kent grammar converted to private after he started there - I assume but don’t know for sure that they kept the existing state pupils. He certainly isn’t a public schoolboy.

I share people’s reservations about picking a white Remain voting man from an Islington seat but he’s not from a privileged background - he’s a bona fide grammar school boy who did well for himself. And he came across very well on his MN webchats about rape prosecution: seemed genuinely dedicated to the cause.

I agree if thhe Democrats choose Elizabeth Warren they will be handing Trump re-election on a plate.

Labour has to dump the Corbyn idea that all businesses and employers are inherently evil. I'm not fussed one way or another whether the next leader will be privately or state educated.

Yeah, I mean...Keir Starmer was a working class lad who passed his 11+, not a public schoolboy. He's certainly more working class (mum nurse, dad worked in factory) than Jess Phillips, who also went to grammar school (dad teacher and mum NHS executive).

But neither of them are working class now. They are just politicians and therefore psychos.

Keir Starmer is the safe blairite candidate that people whose socialism is only as deep as winning their seat will want to elect.

And he may well lead the party out of the mess that it is in now after Corbyn and Momentum have destroyed it.

Why are they still talking about the mines?

If you don’t know why they are still talking about the mines then I’m not sure you understand the significance of what happened in places like Bolsover voting Tory in December.

Thatcher absolutely devastated those communities. Tore them apart. If they are now thinking that the Tories are the better bet to save them, then Labour really needs to address that.

I’d prefer a woman but Keir Starmer is probably more electable to mondeo man in middle England

Plenty of misogynistic voters out there who won’t vote for a woman because she’s a woman

For me, I'd love to see Jess Phillips but I think the only way to be electable at the moment is for a centrist like Keir Starmer if I'm honest.

I hope he wins otherwise Labour will be in the wilderness for quite some time. He gives them a chance at being a more decent opposition.

For me, I'd love to see Jess Phillips but I think the only way to be electable at the moment is for a centrist like Keir Starmer if I'm honest.

I think that she is great too but still parrots that TWAW and will bow to the wokerati. Anyone know Starmer's stance on this?

Britain is so backwards - always banging on about the good old days down the mines and at the factories - they are gone now move on! And everyone voted as a leader always seems to be a rich posh privately educated person - regardless of party or sex 😂 says something about the whole country rather than just the Labour Party tbh - the conservatives aren’t less sexist or better just because the had woman leaders before - the woman leaders were horrible & unrelatable to most people anyway.

Thatcher absolutely devastated those communities. Tore them apart. If they are now thinking that the Tories are the better bet to save them, then Labour really needs to address that.

Undoubtedly, but I think the point is that the mines are part of a painful past, not a solution to the difficulties of the future. If people in communities devastated by the closure of the mines by the Tory government are so disconnected to Labour that they are now voting Tory because they think that Johnson offers more hope for the future, then Labour connecting themselves to a vision of macho miners from the past as some sort of signal that they are the party of the working class just looks like empty ID Pol with no ideas about what the working class wants moving forward.

Floral I’m pretty sure RLB didn’t choose that photo, so I’m not sure you can say Labour is ‘connecting themselves to a vision of macho miners’.

If you’re bored of talk about miners, wait till Ian Lavery throws his hat in the ring.

Don't worry, perhaps Keir Starmer can identify as a woman, that'll fix it.