Buck Angel.

[FlamingoAndJohn]

I’m not sure if anyone else has posted this tweet yet. My apologies if they have, I had a quick scan but couldn’t see it. twitter.com/buckangel/status/1209236297140834304?s=21

The tweet reads:

I was born biologically female. I use testosterone to masculinize myself so I feel more like me. I had a legal sex change and now live as a male. All male pronouns. I am a transsexual and will never be biologically male. But I do live as a male. Simple. ❤️Tranpa

Uh oh. Is Buck going to be cance11ed?

Buck's already been cancelled. Contrapoint recently got cancelled for not cancelling Buck.

This is a harrowing read

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I’ve never heard of Buck before but hats off.

The issues that Buck has relating to Buck’s womb and ovaries (never a clunkier sentence was written) fill me with horror. As a woman who has experienced significant, debilitating pain for the same area (disabling to be honest for me), I feel sick that there is a clinic right now, in London, putting British girls on the same path. Buck has essentially been experimented on. How on earth anyone can advocate for more girls to suffer in the same way is just beyond me. It’s no better than FGM.

I have a dear friend whose bladder cancer surgery is going to be made so much more difficult because of previous 'reassignment' surgery fucking up their urethra.

I bet none of the blue haired babies want to come and get involved with the medical, social and psychological fallout.

God, the way they (the TRA mob) treat transsexuals who state that biological sex exists is shameful.

AFAIK, Buck is an old-school trans man, more akin to Debbie Hayton in his mindset i.e. accepts that sex is real and based on essential biology he was born female and was female until he transitioned. He has already been cancelled by most of the truly woke TRAs for not being on-message, which is ironic because I believe he transitioned early in life and a number of years before being trans became something every woke bro hipster decided they were experts on.

Contrapoint recently got cancelled for not cancelling Buck.

Contrapoints gone? They really do turn on their own, don't they? I remember Contrapoints was in trouble over some heresy before, but survived it. Have to admit I enjoyed CP's videos, in spite of (or because of?) their weirdness - like the scene where the 'evil terf' goes off and drinks her menstrual blood, because apparently that's how GC feminists behave.

Also, isn't Buck Angel the ones TRAs use in pictures with captions like 'do you really want this person in women's bathrooms'?

Yep!

My only issue with Buck's tweet is the "and now live as a male" part. It's just a reversal of the TRAs 'I live as a woman'

What does it mean to "live as a man" or "live as a woman"

Surely you're just living as "you".

I wonder if what Buck means is that most people respond to him as if he’s a man, because his body has been modified to look like a man’s body.

I wonder if what Buck means is that most people respond to him as if he’s a man
That’s my take too - from a gender critical viewpoint there’s a clear logic error in the phrase ‘as a man/woman’, it’s fairly meaningless, because in our utopia (or mine at least) there wouldn’t be any bloody difference between how one is treated/acts/presents/lives based on a male/female or man/woman divide - with the notable exception of matters directly relating to our biological realities such as intimate healthcare, reproduction, physical equipment/clothing etc. (Obvs in this utopia, male pattern violence/violence against women&girls also just isn’t a thing that we need to worry about & safeguard specifically against).

We don’t live in a gender critical utopia though, so I do have an understanding of what is meant by the phrase ‘as a man/woman’....I translate it as ‘judged by sex-based stereotypes’.

I find Buck a very interesting character, I’ve followed him on Twitter for a while, he has a lot more self awareness than the average trans celebrity, he always seems to want to draw a line between ‘true trans’/old school transexual (ie, himself) and the transgender umbrella brigade though. Not quite sure where he is on self-ID legislation. Ultimately though, at least he doesn’t seem to be wanting to deliberately shit on women, and is vaguely more grounded in reality than those that insist they’ve always been the opposite sex etc.

I think someone asked the ‘what does living as a man’ question. And the answer was something about people perceiving you as a man and treating you as such.

I imagine it is harder for a F to M transition as a man generally doesn’t wear female clothing but a woman can wear most typically male clothes.

The landscape is entirely different for transmen. Buck passes very well, and men would have no concern if he was in their changing room or bathroom. They are not a potential threat.
The overwhelming majority of transwomen simply do not pass and women are rightly nervous when someone they perceive as male enters a female only space.

And Buck, having grown up a socialised as a woman, would understand why women would see him as a threat or be wary of him.

I've not seen Buck in video footage and I haven't heard Buck's voice. In my very limited experience, the instant somebody moves and talks, it is usually obvious which sex they are. I notice this not because I am a bigot but because all animals, for blindingly obvious reasons, notice what sex others of their species are. If Buck has managed to learn to walk, sit, take up space etc like a man, that would go a long way to explaining the passing well!

I agree that we ought to see a lot more challenge on that phrase 'living as a woman/man'. What on earth is it supposed to mean? There are 3.5 billion of each sex on the planet. There's nothing that unites me to the other 3.5 billion females except being female and all that follows from that.

I think someone asked the ‘what does living as a man’ question. And the answer was something about people perceiving you as a man and treating you as such

So women transition so that they will be treated with respect and as though their opinions are worth listening to.

Men transition so that they will be treated as decorative sex objects whose opinions are worth nothing.

There is no getting away from the fact that 'living as a man/woman' is about nothing more than sexist stereotypes that we would all be better off without.

Excellently put, OldCrone.

So women transition so that they will be treated with respect and as though their opinions are worth listening to

Or also to feel safe, and less vulnerable.

That's not entirely fair. Lots of males transition because they really hate their male body, not because they love femininity. Casual clothes, minimal makeup, no sexy selfies and suddenly throwing themselves into 'women stuff'. I have 3 friends/acquaintances like this and all 3 expressed dismay at suddenly being treated like a woman . At first it was 'transphobia'. It must be! But no, they'd been told repeatedly over the years by female friends that men talk over women, leer at us, treat us like idiots,and accuse us of being bitchy when men would be assertive...they didn't believe it until it started happening to them. Hah.

That's not entirely fair. Lots of males transition because they really hate their male body, not because they love femininity.

Those aren't the people I was referring to. People with actual body hatred issues are distinct from those who transition because they 'want to live as a woman'.

But I'm always slightly amused by tales of men who transition and want to be 'treated as a woman', then accuse people of transphobia when they are actually treated as women, when they should be pleased that they 'pass'. Interesting that they had to experience it for themselves in order to understand how women are treated in the world.

What was interesting was that they complained about other male friends doing it. They don't even realise they do it most of the time. Only one accepts that they also did it pre- transition too.

There is no getting away from the fact that 'living as a man/woman' is about nothing more than sexist stereotypes that we would all be better off without.

I completely agree.

There was an article a while ago about a trans woman who was upset that since her transition she was being ignored in meetings and after she had an idea a man would then say the same thing and get the credit. And this was transphobia.
Loads of women replied saying that’s just men treating you as a woman.