Jess Phillips pile on on Twitter

[Catmaiden]

It seems to have gone now, but I saw this morning on Twitter Jess Phillips MP, saying that the five gc questions to candidates seemed reasonable, there were some supportive tweets, and then there was a huge pile on from a lot of people saying TWAW and a certain amount of abuse.

Anyone know what happened here?

Len McCluskey will decide who the next leader of the Labour Party will be i.e. Rebecca Long-Bailey.

I don't think anyone who wins the leadership this time around will be openly GC. It's why I can't get excited about whether it's a woman or not. It will either be a woman who hasn't thought deeply about it (to be fair most of us have been there but not promising) or a woman who genuinely believes you can change sex (I will keep my thoughts about that to myself) or a woman who doesn't believe it but who won't jeopardise her career by saying so. None of them feel much like progress to me

Rebecca Long-Bailey would be an amusing choice.

There would be further benefits. She would keep the momentum of the Corbyn project going in a limping-along kind of way, and she could spend a couple of years convincing everyone that something other than useless is needed. By the time she went just about everyone would be sick to death of the Corbyn project.

I'd go with that rather than have a decent candidate burned through and discarded before the next election.

It seems to be a standard "are you now or have you ever been ..." witch hunt. Including going after those who are guilty by association:

Which is particularly inappropriate in this case as DAG is supportive of TWAW. Tho', iirc, hasn't JP been less than GC in some ways in the past?

As the cultists run out of victims they end up turning on allies which has them combing more and more carefully through their pasts to find heresies.

This is a good thing for helping people finally to understand what's going on and how toxic it is.

I've always liked what I've seen of Jess, so I'm interested to see posters like Lang who I hugely respect say she's essentially career first.

I do wonder, though, if it's possible to be a woman in politics without being willing to sacrifice a lot of principles for your career. Obviously not a good thing but is that what it takes for a woman? (In this respect I'm heartened that David TC Davies has got a promotion despite standing up for his GC beliefs openly and honestly).

I'd love to have this explained: I'm not GC myself...

I'd guess that the writer actually believes that girls should not climb trees because they'll get their dresses dirty and anyway that's what boys do.

But I could be wrong.

It's incredibly difficult for Labour MPs and candidates, potential and current, to be openly GC. They're dependent on their CLPs to select them and are called out by vocal CLP members for such heinous crimes as being friendly with Joanna Cherry.

JP is always going on about how ballsy she is. If she'd expended an ounce of that on support for GC women I'd be sympathetic towards her cause. Plus, I had the misfortune to read her autobiography - one of the most boring, unintelligent, books I've ever read.

JP has been a massive disappointment to me.
I genuinely thought that a woman who did so much for women in her community would stand up against the woke bullshit trans train.

But she didn't and she hasn't and now it's too late so it's a no from me.

It's best to accept that for the gender identity issue leaders of the Labour party will be followers and not leaders. Unless the Labour party changes significantly.

Wes Streeting is now trying to distance himself from that "Labour Against Transphobia" Facebook page he was a member of, and which was compiling lists of gender critical party members. Apparently he wants a balanced discussion which respects everyone's rights!

I like a lot of what Jess Phillips says and does, but I don't think I've trusted her since she likened the Cologne attacks to Birmingham New Street on a Saturday night.

I agree it will be a Momentum stitch up - Long Bailey is a shoo-in. Though as noted this is probably a good thing: Boris will spend a couple of years making mincemeat of her at PMQs (it'll be like Swinson on Woman's Hour only worse) then the Labour Party will have to come up with someone electable by the next election.

Short term, it's a bad thing as the country really needs a functioning opposition to hold the government to account as Boris is planning some seriously scary changes (undermining the concept of an independent civil service, narrowing the cabinet till it looks more like a Politburo).

I'm pleased if Streeting et al renounce their previous association with extreme trans activists. We need to make the path back to a reasonable position an easy one. It would make it easier for people like Jess to take a female centred position.

Bloody hell. The thought of her up against BJ at PMQ is horrifying. It will be a blood sport.

from what I have heard so far Labour have learned absolutely nothing from their election defeat.

Yep. They seem unable to parse it as being at least in part their responsibility. Which is to say, something they can address and potentially overcome. So they won't be a viable opposition until they own the defeat, and perhaps start asking questions instead of shouting louder.

Wes Streeting is now trying to distance himself from that "Labour Against Transphobia" Facebook page he was a member of, and which was compiling lists of gender critical party members. Apparently he wants a balanced discussion which respects everyone's rights!

Has he said something recently?

He's one of the worst, in my view.

Jess is completely vacuous...all she stands for is herself.

She craves media attention for her self promotion and bringing down of the Party she is meant to be a part of...backed by Murdoch and Lord Ashcroft, and chummy with Rees-Mogg, it's hardly surprising.

Wes used to work for Stonewall. But he if is climbing down then that’s probably a good thing, despite the enormous hypocrisy.

Here is the thread re. Wes Streeting (from a couple of days ago):

twitter.com/issagaro/status/1205861050517733376

I quite like Jess but she would probably be better to sit this fight out & enter the fray when the conditions are better in the future. The Labour Party are up shit creek without a paddle at the moment.

A lot of the stuff brought up on this thread is why I think it's marginally preferable to be a female politician in the Conservative Party. Obviously all women MPs are subject to sexism and tokenism in the political sphere but I suspect currently being a Tory MP allows for slightly more freedom of opinion.

If I was a woman with an eye on a political career currently I'm not sure I'd want to join the Labour Party.

Wes Streeting was definitely involved in that list of Labour women - I remember him being up to his neck in it, along with Lily Madigan - who also denies it now, I believe. Because that list was all kinds of wrong.

They also added Lisa Muggeridge - who was nothing to do with the Labour Party

Now Wes fancies himself as a future leader, huh? Well, must deny all knowledge now, eh, Wes!

A lot of the stuff brought up on this thread is why I think it's marginally preferable to be a female politician in the Conservative Party

I agree and most of the Labour women got in through quotas so they tend to be less capable. No doubt they'll push for a female leader but everyone suggested so far strikes me as rather lightweight and deluded. I might back Liz Kendall or Harriet Harman if they stood.

Future letter from a Labour government:

"Sorry, there's no money left, but at least it was spent by a cervix haver!"

I think it's pretty likely that Starmer will get it, given how rubbish or tainted the female nominations are. Which is hilarious.