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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

how trans friendly is your area?

91 replies

kieronsmum · 15/12/2019 11:37

election.unherd.com/gender/

my area is very supportive

OP posts:
Lysistrataknowsherstuff · 15/12/2019 16:00

V dubious - they got the percentage of leave voters wrong in my constituency and the neighbouring one. At any rate, it's common sense that a rural backwater whose nearest major city is 60 miles away and not a university in sight is not going to be woke at all. I'd pay money to see a blue haired Uber-woke student trying to tell a farmer that sex isn't binary.

BarbaraStrozzi · 15/12/2019 16:00

It's like Sir Humphrey explaining to Jim Hacker how to rig a questionnaire. "Do you want to instill a bit of military discipline into the lazy, feckless workshy youth of today?" versus "do you want gangs of disaffected youth with military training roaming the streets?"

Similar thing going on here I think. I suspect "do you want to put confused teenagers, many of whom may be confused about their gender identity due to autism or past sexual abuse, on a one way path to irreversible surgery, sterility and a lifetime's dependence on drugs?" You might get a somewhat different answer.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 15/12/2019 16:04

I'd pay money to see a blue haired Uber-woke student trying to tell a farmer that sex isn't binary.

"You go try to milk that bull over there, then. Off you go, pet, what are you waiting for?"

BeyondVotesForFlube · 15/12/2019 16:08

Bunbury would probably advise against posts long the lines of...

My constituency ranks 453. There is a nearby university, however the majority of my area in the north east of the constituency is working class, brexit voting, daily mail reading and has a conventional "men are men" view of gender. However, as the only radical lesbian feminist mother of five who lives near a stream in my area, I know that my view - while technically on the same side of the poll as there's does not tally. Hope my post isn't too outing, I don't want anyone to put through the windows on my white 3bed semi with a red door and a blue Honda Civic parked on the drive.

HandsOffMyRights · 15/12/2019 16:14

I'd pay money to see a blue haired Uber-woke student trying to tell a farmer that sex isn't binary.

Me too!

BarbaraStrozzi · 15/12/2019 16:17

Beyond, how did you know I have a Honda Civic? Wink

SimonJT · 15/12/2019 16:20

Ranked as 22nd.

how trans friendly is your area?
HandsOffMyRights · 15/12/2019 16:24

I wonder if this was like one of the useless and inaccurate Brexit polls in 2016?

Is there a poll on how middle aged-women friendly areas are? If not, why not?
Middle aged rights are human rights!!

NettleTea · 15/12/2019 16:30

lol. Im next door to Hastings and Rye. Its a hotbed of TERFness there thank god

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 15/12/2019 16:35

All the B cities and towns seem very woke - Bristol, Brighton, even Birmingham. The support in Leeds is lower than the local council seems to think it is.

HandsOffMyRights · 15/12/2019 16:46

I'm really sceptical about my city.

When we went out on the streets, the public were extremely concerned about self ID.

Did pollsters just go into Lush and ask the blue haired assistants a few questions I wonder?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 15/12/2019 16:49

The question was worded in such as a way as to garner maximum agreement, I think. If they'd asked if people think rapists should be able to self ID into women's prisons that map would be solid dark pink with just a few dots representing the woke uni students.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 15/12/2019 16:51

Which, I know I keep saying it, but again, bait and switch.

MrsKCastle · 15/12/2019 17:00

It's an utterly meaningless question. I could answer strongly agree OR strongly disagree, depending on how I interpret the question.

mindproject · 15/12/2019 17:06

Who actually cares about this insignificant stuff?

LetsSplashMummy · 15/12/2019 17:11

Mine is really high for immigration and near the bottom for religion, more than 600 places different - I would have thought that sort of tolerance went hand in hand, so I take it a little bit with a pinch of salt.

midcenturylegs · 15/12/2019 17:34

Ranked 1st!!!!! It's unbelievable - I am so proud to live where I live. Very confused though, we've been at a Tory Victory Street Party all day and nobody there knows what gender is nor has answered any sort of questionnaire?

LangCleg · 15/12/2019 17:37

Bottom quartile!

merrymouse · 15/12/2019 17:43

Some of the figures in that survey seem a bit odd.

Islington South ranks 8th supportive of statement

"Tax rates for higher earners should be minimised to keep the UK competitive" but they just re-elected Emily Thornberry.

merrymouse · 15/12/2019 17:47

Bethnal Green and Bow is 3rd supportive re: minimising tax, but they just elected a Labour MP with 72.7% of the vote.

WrathofFaeKlop · 15/12/2019 18:41

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boatyardblues · 15/12/2019 19:33

My result doesn’t surprise me, based on my knowledge of the area & the demographics. My constituency also gets decent numbers of signatories on GC parliamentary petitions about the GRA reforms & related issues, so go figure. 🤷‍♂️

^ Sufficiently vague to meet with Bunbury’s style guide, I hope. Wink

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 15/12/2019 20:35

It depends on the terms the questions were couched in. And I suspect many of the responses come from the same place as I'd have come from before having my eyes opened to the aggression, misogyny, homophobia and more general foisting of the trans-agenda coming from the more vocal activists and their supporters. I can see no problem at all in young people doing as they want, wearing what they want, and presenting as whatever gender they please. It's no more shocking than dressing as punks or goths in my day in order to resist 'mainstream' stereotypes; particularly given so many trans people these days opt to remain intact and not to pursue any form of medical reassignment.

The problems arise with invasive hormonal and medical treatments which will almost certainly result in infertility and likely pose a risk to health, the ramifications of which are not yet apparent in medical science and won't become so for a number of years.

Anyone who advocates opening up such practices with minors who are not yet mature enough to make such life-changing decisions is IMO complicit in abuse.

To state so is not transphobia. But TRAs have a practice of silencing any dissent as bigotry, and appear to have an agenda that goes far beyond balancing the rights of women, trans people, or LGB people.

ArcheryAnnie · 15/12/2019 21:58

The linked diagram has nothing to do with "trans-friendliness" or otherwise. It's a diagram about how people in certain areas think we should as a society respond to children's perceptions of themselves in a sexist, homophobic world.

Trans people are not a hivemind. There is no one real definition of "trans" anyway. Some trans people will be very supportive of the idea that children should not have gender stereotypes reinforced, and "watch and wait" is better. Other trans people - particularly the small number of extreme activists who seem to dominate the discussion - seem to think that gender-nonconforming children should be marched off the the Tavvi, stat.

tl;dr: what a ridiculous way to frame the discussion, OP.

ThunderboltandLightning · 15/12/2019 22:11

Least supportive in the whole country. That takes some doing!

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