I'm rejoining Labour today

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I cut up my membership card some time ago over self ID.

But I want to try and be in a position to vote for a new, less woke leader.

I'm not going to re-join yet. No evidence they've learned from the election defeat yet.

That is why people need to join.

Without a change in membership nothing will change.

@TheSteveMillibandno most women aren't interested. It's a bubble debate.

She saw into their souls - or her husband did - and 'twas thus.

I left over Self ID and I am thinking of rejoining. I did tell my CLP chair why I was leaving so I am a bit worried he will have me pegged as a 'bigot' but in reality I don't think he understood what I was on about.

She is every bit as bad as Corbyn. Until they ditch Momentum and the hard left I won't be re- joining or voting.

. Momentum have control of the Labour Party because they dominate the membership. The only way to change that is by becoming a member.

Do you really, seriously think being "gender critical" is the top priority for dragging the Labour party back to sanity and making it electable?

I think there are other priorities, but I think that a Labour Party dominated by people who think that sex doesn't exist (and therefore queer theory) will never be electable.

@ShesDressedInBlackAgain
I'm going on the women I know in my life, everyday conversations, feedback from people I know still involved in politics and the polls I've read.

Sorry I wasn't clear that I've formed my view on more than what my husband 'told me to think' or by soul gazing ffs.

Such a shame it's not possible for people to express an opinion on this topic without people immediately patronising you or getting toxic.

It might not be the top priority but it is emblematic of the problem in Labour. The complaints on MN about vicious responses, name calling and emotive accusations are all over the place. It's happening within the party too.

@AlunWynsKnee unfortunately the viciousness comes from both sides of the debate as seen in this thread.

It turns most people completely off.

*I'm not going to re-join yet. No evidence they've learned from the election defeat yet. Or at all. Most still in total denial

I will think about re-joinng after I've seen some signs of green shoots of sanity*

Same here. They need to get rid of Momentum and the stupid wokeism they keep peacocking around and go back to grass roots.

They need to get rid of Momentum and the stupid wokeism they keep peacocking around and go back to grass roots.

They can only do that if other people join.

Most people have never heard the term 'gender critical'.

However, most people are 'gender critical' in the sense that they, quite correctly, think transwomen are men and that they should not be in places women are naked and vulnerable, or competing in women's sports, or expecting other people to mangle their language.

This was not, in and of itself, a large part of Labour's disastrous result but is symptomatic of a wider issue with 'identity politics' or 'wokeness' or whatever you prefer to call it. The whole edifice is a social media bubble obsession that is simply not shared by the majority of the population. This is not only true in the UK, it is the reason Trump is sitting in the White House, it is why the Australian Labor Party got spanked earlier in the year.

I live in a working class town on Red Clydeside. This was Labour's heartlands. I know of nobody, not one single person, who supports 'wokeness'. I can't even tell you what people really think about 'trans' as my post would be deleted. Momentum's ridiculous posturing goes down like a bucket of cold vomit here.

regina please don't @ people already active on the thread.
And I think you're taking my post slightly the wrong way.

I'm going on the women I know in my life, everyday conversations, feedback from people I know still involved in politics and the polls I've read

Sorry I wasn't clear that I've formed my view on more than what my husband 'told me to think' or by soul gazing ffs

You said your husband had canvassed and were told that women might not mention it because they were worried about being seen as bigots. You then said - no, it's just a bubble, no one is bothered.

Such a shame it's not possible for people to express an opinion on this topic without people immediately patronising you or getting toxic.

By turning up and saying 'No. No one cares about your silly GC thing' you mean?

Do you really, seriously think being "gender critical" is the top priority for dragging the Labour party back to sanity and making it electable?

I live in a working class town on Red Clydeside. This was Labour's heartlands. I know of nobody, not one single person, who supports 'wokeness'. I can't even tell you what people really think about 'trans' as my post would be deleted. Momentum's ridiculous posturing goes down like a bucket of cold vomit here.

Precisely. If anyone is still under the impression that allowing bourgois liberal queer theory devotees to be the public face of the Labour Party can win elections, well - what is there left to say?

If anyone is still under the impression that allowing bourgois liberal queer theory devotees to be the public face of the Labour Party can win elections, well - what is there left to say?

Of course there are situations where Self ID is very much not allowed.

"I'm a Labour member but I don't like Corbyn".
"Fuck off you Tory!"

LangCleg
"Precisely. If anyone is still under the impression that allowing bourgois liberal queer theory devotees to be the public face of the Labour Party can win elections, well - what is there left to say?"

Unfortunately, at the moment I think that Labour are incapable of "self reflection", totally unable to admit their policies, particularly the identity politics and the utterly fantasy based economic plans, would be unworkable and seen as ridiculous by many.
I watched Lisa Nandy this morning on the Andrew Marr show and she came across as very level headed.
I still do not think many people are aware of self ID and gender politics, and I believe that the over riding issue at this election was Brexit. Yvette Cooper came very close to losing her seat, simply because she failed to understand or even care about her consituents.

Yes I'm rejoining, mostly inspired by the great women who stayed to keep slugging it out. My family can't cope without certain services, so selfishly I want good public services to remain a core principle but agree that Labour needs to get much broader appeal. And I want them to stop the experimenting on distressed children. So while it will be no fun because I know second hand that the in-fights in my constituency have been pretty intense in the last few years, well. Got to be in it to win it.

I rejoined. Labours stance on self id wasn't my top priority, but it is one of the reasons I left. Yeah most people are not going to say "I'm gender critical" ( and a lot of people aren't anyway if it means putting their girls in pink etc) but if you say to ANYONE "men in prison can say they feel like a woman and get put in a women's prison" they will say "that's fucking mental".
And the ROGD in girls epidemic is starting to reach the wilds of the North where I live. When more and more healthy girls are wanting to mutilate themselves, believe me people will care.
I'm hoping Corbyn limps on a while longer so I can vote for the leadership. I just hope someone decent stands.

I'd like to join, but I have a feeling that a wave of new members in the week following the election might be interpreted (spun) as enthusiasm and support for the current direction.

I think RLB will be the next leader, if only because focusing on the next leader being a woman is the best way for Momentum to block Keir Starmer.

Can't see Northern coalfield constituencies returning to the fold under a new Blair, agree Nandy's probably the best candidate to reach out to the North but, as when the Tories faced Blair, it'll be a thankless job and the first Corbyn replacement is pretty much taking one for the team. Nandy's young enough to wait for the next time (and be Cameron rather than Howard).

I see John McD is standing in the town square with a sign round his neck accusing him of being a paper tiger running dog.

If they are trying not to look like a classic 20th century left wing dictatorship they need to try harder

The next leader will never be PM, it depends whether Nandy etc are personally ambitious or not. I don't get the impression that Jess Phillips is obsessed with the idea of the highest political job so maybe she is the one to take one for the team

I think it was a very deliberate and long term plan of Andy Burham to become Manchester mayor and wait for this shit to die down. Labour will loose the next election.
At the moment their is zero self reflection. Even this morning Labour MP'S are saying - every one loves our policies. It's like they don't know they lost the election.
Did anyone see Caroline Flint this morning ? Apparently Emily Thornberry said to her I'm glad my constituents aren't as stupid as yours
That says all I need to know.

I cannot re-join and am not sure I ever will. Momentum still control Labour and that is enough for me to stay away.

Emily denies that though, she has called it an utter lie. Caroline didn't claim to have heard her say it herself, it's at one remove. C needs to say who told her that, or it lacks credibility.