I'm rejoining Labour today

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I cut up my membership card some time ago over self ID.

But I want to try and be in a position to vote for a new, less woke leader.

Do you really, seriously think being "gender critical" is the top priority for dragging the Labour party back to sanity and making it electable?

The ludicrous assertion that TWAW and the purging of members who refuse to chant along is a major symptom of everything that has gone wrong with labour - a complete loss of connection to actual reality. Of course it's not the only symptom but it's a very obvious one.

Does it make labour unelectable in itself? Of course not, electing misogynist governments is just normal. But they have just suffered a spectacularly crashing defeat and if I was in the party right now I would quit the sneering because this issue alone has cost them a lot of women's votes which may well have made a difference on top of all the other things they got badly wrong.

Also I don't care what other people's top priorities are. Women are allowed to put their own interests first. We don't have to vote for labour, or join labour, or devote time and energy to campaigning for labour. We reserve the right to continue to say 'fuck off' to labour. The ball is in labour's court.

Women are allowed to put their own interests first. We don't have to vote for labour, or join labour, or devote time and energy to campaigning for labour. We reserve the right to continue to say 'fuck off' to labour. The ball is in labour's court.

^this.

You had my vote, by default, for 30 years. You didn't need to do anything to keep it, just not insult me. You can have it back when you stop being such arrogant abusive misogynistic arseholes.

Women are allowed to put their own interests first

I actually am a woman- not a cat. I am not voting Labour as long as it is run by Marxists pursuing insane nationalisation and anti- business policies.

"Gender critical" is, as another poster said about 350th on the list.

Bully for you.

Not clear why your particular reasons are relevant to FWR though?

Not clear why your particular reasons are relevant to FWR though?

It's such a bubble here. Trans issues were irrelevant to the election result and to Labour's unelectability. A stable economy will be of far more benefit to women.

When they ask back the women they expelled for supporting women's rights I will believe they are serious about politics again.

It's not a bubble though is it Philbricks because here you are, like so many before you, telling us how we are doing feminism wrong and there isn't a block button.

Start your own thread on 'A stable economy will be of far more benefit to women.' if that's what's important to you.

It's such a bubble here. Trans issues were irrelevant to the election result and to Labour's unelectability. A stable economy will be of far more benefit to women.

If by 'bubble' you mean 'area that concerns itself with comment related to women and girls as befits a feminist topic' then yeah - guilty as charged.

You have now explained how your point relates to women. I disagree that changing the definition of 'women' is of less importance. And I agree with pencils that the whole TWAW thing is both symptomatic and emblematic of what is wrong with Labour in its current incarnation.

YY Creepster. So many women have been forced out.

I think the new leader will be Rebecca Long-Bailey

I cannot remember how the leadership ballot is structured; I'm a bit worried about the women's vote being split up to six ways.

Alias I think that is their cunning plan.
6 women, and they will make sure it's a man.

I am angry that we don't - and haven't had a decent opposition for a very long time

And my labour female MP says TWAW, and in sport women should just try harder.

That kind of centralised view of socialism and the woke politics are related, IMO, so it's not like dealing with one precludes the other. The answer either way has to be about reconnecting to the people they represent in the constituencies.

My husband (still a member) knocked doors throughout the campaign.

Corbyn and Brexit were consistently cited as reasons for not voting Labour.

I asked him how many times gender politics came up. Not once.

I rejoined yesterday. I also want to make sure I can vote for a non woke leader. There are grassroots terven organising, and I want to be supportive of that. If a leader is elected who believes TWAW then I’m leaving again.

Regina, bear in mind that most women are scared to raise it openly for fear of being called a transphobe.

Does anyone know how long you have to be a member, in order to vote in the leadership election. I have googled but can’t seem to find an answer.

I plan on rejoining this weekend too.

The ludicrous assertion that TWAW and the purging of members who refuse to chant along is a major symptom of everything that has gone wrong with labour - a complete loss of connection to actual reality. Of course it's not the only symptom but it's a very obvious one

Pencils
Absolutely agree. It is symptomatic of an authoritarian, radical cultural agenda which has zero support. Sophie Wilson, the 23 year old Labour candidate for Rother Valley epitomizes this. Her antics included calling women ‘trashy’ for criticizing her passionate defense of a strip club. Rother Valley had voted Labour since 1918 Its voters ditched Wilson and voted Conservative.

I emailed and tweeted my local candidates re their views on women’s rights. We had no door knockers. I don’t think I would have been brave enough to talk to actual door knockers about it and it was a key issue for me in this election

I rejoined yesterday. I also want to make sure I can vote for a non woke leader. There are grassroots terven organising, and I want to be supportive of that. If a leader is elected who believes TWAW then I’m leaving again.

I'm humming and haaing but if I do rejoin, this will be why. Voting rights.

I think Lisa Nandy has the best chance of bridging the groups within Labour. Has been banging on about the town/country divide for years. Is neither Corbynista nor Blairite. Neither bonkers Woke nor madly anti-Woke.

Why is being non- Blairite a good thing? The Labour party desperately needs a new Blair.

Why is being non- Blairite a good thing? The Labour party desperately needs a new Blair.

No, it doesn't. The economics of neoliberalism died in 2008 with the financial crash and nobody - Labour, Tory, LibDem, anyone - has come up with a new economic paradigm that the electorate is willing to vote for.

That's why IDpol has come to the fore. The lack of economic solution left a gap. And it's why the bourgeois, queer theory activists have had such success at infiltration.

The cosmopolitan, city-based, neoliberal Blairism is as much responsible for losing the Red Wall as Corbyn is. Both to blame.

You can't have continued wars between deeply opposed factions in Labour with one of them in charge and expect to win an election. Voters don't like divided parties.

A compromise candidate is needed. One in touch with the foundational reasons for the loss and not tainted by devotion to either faction. Lisa Nandy is one such.

@TheSteveMilliband no most women aren't interested. It's a bubble debate.

'No one cares, no one cares, no one cares'

'Silly women, no one cares'

Just us. We care enough to keep coming and telling you how very much no one cares.