Conservative landslide - how are we feeling as feminists?

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I feel very mixed this morning. So worried about what this means for public services, policing, NHS, social care, mental health services, housing, in-work poverty... all of which disproportionately affects women, either as those needing these services or picking up the pieces when dependents cannot access what they need. We now have an openly misogynist prime minister (we did before, but now he has a secure mandate), who won’t even acknowledge all of his children whilst slagging off single mothers, and has had the police called out due to neighbours fearing for the safety of his partner from what they could hear through the wall.

But there’s a tiny silver lining of it seeming that it seems very unlikely that self-ID would be brought in under this government, at least in the form the Lib Dems were touting for, so we are probably more secure on retaining sex-based rights than we would have been with any other result.

To be honest it’s not really much comfort to me right now.

Relieved. I think Labour’s abillity to analyze these results depends upon whether they can stop externalising their failure and stop insulting millions of voters. I am very pleased Jo Swinson lost her seat. To anyone who spoiled their ballot in that constituency? I think there will be a forensic examination of why she lost and her idiotic position on self ID will be highlighted.

It's horrendous and depressing. Boris might know that women are defined by their biology, but that doesn't equal respect or value.

Neither Boris or Corbyn respect women or see us as equal. As for Swinson, well. Maybe some key stage 1 biology would help her.

I don't think there was a possible outcome from the election that I could feel positive about.

It's shit, totally predictable, but still utterly shit. There's no way Johnson's government gives a damn about women's rights. Like they don't care about race issues, or disability rights, or helping those in poverty. I can't see it as a good thing.

Hopefully it will mean the Labour party will learn from it in time for the next general election - I'm mostly prepared for more disappointment though.

Nickeladimecandy why?

Do you seriously think it was self id/gender critical which caused the Labour defeat?

No - why do you think we do? It is, however, a vote-losing issue for a significant number of women, we’re talking about that not being recognised due to all the other issues the party has. Do keep up dear

Anyone with a new MP can book an appointment to meet them & discuss their concerns about self ID, rising numbers of girls transitioning etc etc. This is a good opportunity to make sure women are heard.

Penny Mordaunt was re-elected. I hope she is kept far, far away from Women & Equalities.

Jo Swinson only lost by 149 votes. Perhaps all it took was pissing off 150 women to wreck her career.

Do keep up dear

How completely patronising. Are you pleased with that?

I have to say that over the last week or so I have found many posts from "gender critical " posters extremely off putting and lacking in much sense.

I am relieved too. For what it's worth, prior to yesterday I have always voted labour. I work in the NHS, and I wholeheartedly believe it is safer under a Tory government at present. That doesn't mean I will think the same in five years, but I think it's the right thing for now.

I have to say that over the last week or so I have found many posts from "gender critical " posters extremely off putting and lacking in much sense.

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How completely patronising. Are you pleased with that?

There was a smiley there, with a Santa hat and everything, I was trying to be light hearted on this grim, grim morning. I found your post to essentially be accusing us of being a bit dim that we didn’t realise that sex-based rights & self-ID isn’t the main reason for these results. I responded with a similar tone to what I felt from you, but tried to put a friendlier spin on it.

This is an emotional day, and it’s difficult to convey tone in writing sometimes - there was no patronising intent, although I respect you may take offence or not as you see fit

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Nickeladimecandy why

Why what? Being depressed by SNP wins? I loathe the SNP.

I'm not interested in the gender critical argument but why any of you who are might have voted SNP is puzzling.

'Do you seriously think it was self id/gender critical which caused the Labour defeat? That is a tiny issue outside the MN bubble.'

No, of course not, but it's one of many issues that will have lost votes and they all add up.
The loss of experienced and dedicated Labour women activists and volunteers will have increased the effect but nobody notices the envelope-stuffing, door-knocking grunt work that women do. It will have left Labour ever more dependent on their student volunteers and worsened the perception that they're the party of the metropolitan elite not the working classes.

There was a smiley there, with a Santa hat and everything, I was trying to be light hearted on this grim, grim morning

Oh of course- being light hearted excuses you being patronising.

As for why do I think you do- see the Jo Swinson threads.

And it is a grim morning so far as Scotland but so far as Corbyn getting a well deserved kicking- it's pretty good.

Agree there were no good outcomes for women in this election.

Glad it wasn’t Corbyn as I don’t believe he was capable of delivering what he promised and because of the antisemitism.

Couldn’t vote Lib Dem with their insane make believe sex policies.

But Boris is awful and I wish we were staying in the EU.

FlyingOink hehe, cheers

NickelADime this thread isn’t about the SNP, I think you might be getting your posts mixed up. If you’re not interested in the ‘gender critical argument’, well I started this thread on a well known majority gender critical feminist discussion board, to talk with fellow women about how we feel that we face a strong Conservative government for the next 5 years, with sex-based rights/no self-ID being the only ‘positive’ I could see. It’s right there in the OP. If you’re not interested in that issue, then it seems like you’ve just come on this thread to troll and insult us, to be honest.

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Lots of new MPs. We should write to them (and those reelected) to remind every one of them that women will not be steamrollered into accepting self ID. Jo Swinson's spectacular downfall is a very good example of what can happen if GC views continue to be ignored.

I'm confident the Conservatives get this, but it will do no harm to reinforce the message across all parties.

I have to say that over the last week or so I have found many posts from "gender critical " posters extremely off putting and lacking in much sense

Perhaps you are in wrong forum? As the OP has said, GC is a significant issue for the denizens of this establishment. If you find it frivolous, maybe try elsewhere?

Mourning the loss of Caroline Flint and Laura Pidcock.

I am gutted and very disillusioned with voters. Nothing good will come of this.

Lots of new MPs. We should write to them (and those reelected) to remind every one of them that women will not be steamrollered into accepting self ID. Jo Swinson's spectacular downfall is a very good example of what can happen if GC views continue to be ignored

That’s an excellent point TimeLady. There is some momentum () behind the GC movement. The media coverage in the wake of Maya and Harry’s cases plus the Tavistock have catapulted this onto mainstream media. This is the time to keep pushing

Caroline Flint is a massive shame.

She wasn’t my MP but maybe we could still write to her to express our gratitude for her supporting women’s rights against the tide of gender ideology in the party - it won’t be an issue she addresses openly I think, as (obviously!) in her own constituency Brexit and Corbyn massively outweighed any GC effect.

Relieved that self ID is going to be kicked into the long grass but devastated at the level of Tory majority. All the magic money tree promises made by the Tories and labour are not possible with a weak economy & when we leave the EU a weak economy is the most likely outcome.

Social care will go back into the long grass & women will continue to be expected to pick up the caring responsibilities for ppl with disabilities, mental health struggles, older ppl & anyone ejse who needs help