Conservative landslide - how are we feeling as feminists?

[Cwenthryth]

I feel very mixed this morning. So worried about what this means for public services, policing, NHS, social care, mental health services, housing, in-work poverty... all of which disproportionately affects women, either as those needing these services or picking up the pieces when dependents cannot access what they need. We now have an openly misogynist prime minister (we did before, but now he has a secure mandate), who won’t even acknowledge all of his children whilst slagging off single mothers, and has had the police called out due to neighbours fearing for the safety of his partner from what they could hear through the wall.

But there’s a tiny silver lining of it seeming that it seems very unlikely that self-ID would be brought in under this government, at least in the form the Lib Dems were touting for, so we are probably more secure on retaining sex-based rights than we would have been with any other result.

To be honest it’s not really much comfort to me right now.

Most of us are absolutely gutted that the Labour party is so shit that we didn't feel able to vote for it.

And when an incumbent Labour MP feels compelled to write as much in The Times, it's a sad state of affairs. I might support the Conservatives, but the country needs an effective opposition.

Labour’s offering was not just unappealing to the electorate. Voters were repelled by it

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Labour’s offering was not just unappealing to the electorate. Voters were repelled by it

i'm not sure that is true, myself. I think it was the 'baggage that had been associated with, and the mud that had been thrown at Jeremy Corbyn, myself. Certainly for most people. That and a lack of clarity or support for Brexit.

No I think it was actually pretty repellent to a lot of voters. The 'baggage' associated with Corbyn is the momentum lot. You can't repeatedly call traditional labour voters racist, thick, bigoted or gammon and expect them not to be repelled.

I think it was the 'baggage that had been associated with, and the mud that had been thrown at Jeremy Corbyn, myself. Certainly for most people. That and a lack of clarity or support for Brexit

Oh purlease. The baggage is entirely Corbyn's own. He is a vain, deluded Marxist. Pointing that out is not throwing mud.

I'm feeling irritated that Labour has once more managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, honestly. Years of austerity should have made this an easy win, but a combination of inappropriate focus on woke issues, the public not trusting Corbyn and his adoring fans being unwilling to see that, Momentum being bullying arseholes, and a refusal to make their Brexit policy clear enough for those for whom that was the key issue to feel confident they knew what a Labour government would do has resulted in the situation we have now. It should be a sign that a reassessment of what the party stands for and how it communicates with voters is needed, but instead we'll probably get another 5 years of Momentum bossing people around and Compliance throwing out anyone who tries to raise issues.

Am I right to be a little hopeful that both Labour and LibDems have more women MPs than men? This is a first and must lead to something......

Mixed. I wanted a labour government but not the one on offer.
The Tories have a lot of new young MPs who will be lobbied like mad by the TRAs so we need to still make our voices heard about the importance of protecting children and of keeping single sex spaces. We also need to give alot of support to the LGB alliance.

I'm feeling irritated that Labour has once more managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, honestly.

I'm feeling utterly incensed!

Rejoin Labour Party to boot out far left, moderates urged

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Just having a look at @RejoinRebuild on Twitter

Oh purlease. The baggage is entirely Corbyn's own. He is a vain, deluded Marxist. Pointing that out is not throwing mud

"Purlease?" There's no need for the sarcasm. I agree that Jeremy brought along a lot of baggage - & of his own creation. It is this baggage that sealed his fate for many people - not the actual policies.

The sarcasm from both sides is part of the problem we find ourselves with now. Tribal and hostile - always looking out for ideological impurity.

and in that way, being unnecessarily snarky with people who are, in many ways, in agreement with you even if not in all ways

The policies were the problem for many. To not understand this is one of the reasons Labour are failing.

No I think it was actually pretty repellent to a lot of voters

I don't agree. I think most voters, myself included - even though I spoiled my ballot - liked the idea of re-nationalising the railways, and putting more money into social care, and so on.....even if some of the things on the 'to do' list seemed quite random and fantastical.

I don't agree. I think most voters, myself included - even though I spoiled my ballot - liked the idea of re-nationalising the railways

Funny way of showing it then. How can you sit there typing such obvious nonsense. The manifesto was clearly rejected.

To not understand this is one of the reasons Labour are failing

Labour are 'failing' due to the intolerance of Momentum's ideological purity'' their failure to listen to all constituents; and the fact that Jeremy Corbyn was never a good, or the right leader. It was his version of Socialist Utopia that brought on board the over idealistic, educated young, as well as the old hard leftists.......that's certainly has ben the cause of much that has gone wrong. Not so much the policies - unless you a Conservative by nature, of course.

No centre left by nature and his policies are too far left for many. Losing votes which added to the huge defeat. The worst since 1935. Time to reassess the policies.

Funny way of showing it then. How can you sit there typing such obvious nonsense. The manifesto was clearly rejected

Don't be so fucking rude... ( And i'm not one for swearing normally) You've picked the wrong person......Read back over all my posts on the issue - but i suspect you won't be bothered; not when you can simply be insulting instead.

I don't believe the manifesto was rejected so much as the leader and the culture of intolerance.

It was the manifesto for many. A lot of people are capable of seeing through the media but the manifesto and the policies are there for all to see. They were the wrong policies.

In a lot of ways Labour had an open goal and they got it so wrong.

No centre left by nature and his policies are too far left for many. Losing votes which added to the huge defeat. The worst since 1935. Time to reassess the policies

I maintain the policies, overall, ( excluding Gender self Id and a few others) were not the real issue for the 'lost tribe' - so much as lack of support for Brexit and a lack of confidence in Corbyn. Also many constituencies in the N.E, and elsewhere, are quite patriotic, have a history of service in the armed forces, and Jeremy's pacifist stance and lack of obvious patriotism meant they could not vote for him.

Justhadathought you are part of Labour's problem. The policies were clearly rejected.

The policies were far too left wing but the hard left will continue pushing that extremist agenda.

I agree with lack of confidence in Corbyn. Corbyn, Momentum and their policies turned many off. Without those three things Labour could have have a chance. To be more of a threat in any case.

And you wouldn’t have to head away from what really matters - NHS, education just drop the crackers ones. The free broadband, 4 day week and nationalisation. Drop the pie in the sky expensive promises that people just don’t care about and are impossibly £££.

*No I think it was actually pretty repellent to a lot of voters. The 'baggage' associated with Corbyn is the momentum lot. You can't repeatedly call traditional labour voters racist, thick, bigoted or gammon and expect them not to be repelled8

If my memory serves me correctly, you have a habit of jumping down people's throats...apologies if wrong. I actually agree with that assessment; certainly when it comes to people here who ended up spoiling their ballots. But for voters in the left behind communities who voted to leave - it was mainly about Brexit.

The Labour party is split, and is now speaking with a confused and conflicting voice - due to its own internal issues. I think Momentum needs to form its own party, and leave the Labour party to re-assess and re-formulate where it goes from here.

The message is loud and clear that Momentum far left is not wanted. It may be hard to hear but Labour have to learn from it or risk becoming redundant.

Yes Momentum can leave that would be good.