Triggernometry :"Transwomen aren't allowed to disagree with Trans activists.

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Just a heads up for this Sunday's episode of Triggernometry where the boys interview Rose of Dawn and she makes the statement in the thread title above.
An extract here

If all male transsexuals were like Rose and Blair, we wouldn’t have gotten to this point but they aren’t and we have.

Now that we are forced by the Karen Whites And Jess Bradleys to set and police a boundary for single sex spaces/sports and services it’e clear that the only logical place to site it is no male people whatsoever, not even the male people who sincerely feel distressing gender dysphoria.

Appealing as this narrative is, I find that the original intrusion of the Blaires and the Roses is the thing that gave permission to the Karens and the Jesses. And that's the central truth that the Blaires and the Roses can't bring themselves to admit.

And since all my fucks are used up on actual women and girls, I don't have any left for them.

Yes Lang! Absolutely!
Fuck being kind, we want our spaces back, since our initial tolerance was taken advantage of.
Having three male bodied people pontificate about what women should tolerate and what womens' boundaries should be is not acceptable.

Hey Detroit! I hope you're keeping well, or as well as you can, anyway. x

Hey! Im ok, dang leg hurts so im up late. Nice to see you!

I wondered if that was you Detroit hope all's as well as it can be

@Triggerpod All I want for Christmas if for you to interview Dr Rachel McKinnon. Please make it happen. After Posie and Rose, the Dr would make a fascinating contrast.

So, just to clarify, the comment about triggering the Mumsnet feminist forum wasn't made by Rose, it was made by me (Konstantin) on a live stream and it was very much tongue in cheek. I thought feminists have a great sense of humour?

The comments about "it's just 3 men bla bla" are very silly and if applied to women would be considered sexist. Because they are. We don't claim to understand "women's experiences" which is why we interview women and ask them about their views.

And yes, Dr Rachel McKinnon would be a great guest. Say what you want about her, she's a brilliant cyclist. (See, that's another joke - my God this is hard work).

You'll be pleased to know we interviewed Harry the Owl recently and that interview will be going out soon. Then again, it's just another 3 men talking.

Take care and Merry Christmas.

Are you struggling to get where we're coming from, Konstantin? Hard work trying to empathise with women's concerns? Funny, that's exactly the point I was making.

PLease don't take it personally. I've nothing against you, or Rose of Dawn (on the contrary). Just don't have the energy to sit and listen to men discussing where women's boundaries should be drawn. I can appreciate this seems to be a tricky argument to grasp.

Wishing you a lovely festive season, too.

We don't claim to understand "women's experiences" which is why we interview women and ask them about their views.

And I think you need to ask yourself why you are so upset at the idea of exclusively female spaces.

Ask yourself why you reacted so strongly to posie rejection of post op males in womens spaces. Ask yourself why you don't want to see males in females sport, but think those same people should be in womens changing rooms.

I like you, Konstantin, and your videos! I actually do!

This does not change my view on your complete inability to reflect that an attitude boiling down to Well, obviously a woman is just a penis free man, so if some bloke decides to lop off his trousersnake he definitely becomes a woman and lol silly women being triggered by that, the silly reverse-sexist vaginas as, well, sexist.

Hope that clarifies!

Men. Always good for a larf.

Oh, and I think you should go and help out poor Michael Mumsnet on the Lunette thread! Have fun!

Erm, we interview people and put counterpoints to them. Asking me why I'm upset about the idea of exclusively female spaces (which I am not) is like asking Andrew Neil why he is upset by the idea of a Corbyn/Boris Government.

Posie was our first proper dive into this whole debate so we were coming from a place of being uneducated on this issue and trying to educate ourselves. It doesn't mean we agree with every counterpoint we put to her or every question we asked...

I'd pay good money to see Joan McAlpine MSP on @triggerpod.

Here's a smashing interview with her where she clarifies the law and muddling of rights which has happened through poor consultation and muddying of language:

womansplaceuk.org/2019/12/17/sex-based-discrimination-an-interview-with-scottish-parliamentarian-joan-mcalpine/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Erm, we interview people and put counterpoints to them.

But not equally.

You've obviously disagreed with many of your guests before, but never really challenged them as you did with posie.

Go back and look at your reaction to posie saying a man without a penis is still a man.

You don't want to contemplate the idea, you instinctively reject them as men, therefore see them as women.

Hi Triggerpod, nice of you to drop by. I don't actually know anything about you and have never watched your podcast. I do think the word 'triggered' is childish and overused though, it just makes me roll my eyes.

Anyway, as you're here can I ask whether you personally are happy to share male spaces with all males regardless of whether or not they have 'gender identities'? I ask because I think they belong with other males, what with them being male and all and can't understand why men want to shove them into women's spaces which are for females.

It isn't my job to validate XY people's unsubstantiated views of themselves. I'm not their mother, and if they want me to play therapist I expect renumeration (my rate is £1000 per hour).

Silly, eh Triggerpod!

I've no sense of humor left. None. I cannot find one shelter which doesn't have dicks in it. Not one. I don't laugh about much these days.

Men talking to other men about what I and women like me should be ok about is not fucking acceptable.

Newsflash funny boy, men and women are different. We have different needs. That's not sexism it's biological reality.

You are discussing MY needs like it's all a joke.

I have no home due to domestic violence. Im camping. In fucking winter because I cannot will not share spaces with male bodied people who call themselves women. Rape and beatings will do that to you.

Excuse me if Im not laughing

Silly silly Detroit, huh

At the same time do we need to be mindful of the latest EHRC guidance?

a trans woman with a GRC would be treated as female. The sex discrimination exceptions in the Equality Act therefore apply differently to a trans person with a GRC or without a GRC.

We recognise that the present system for obtaining a GRC may be creating unnecessary barriers for people to have their change of sex recognised

I would also suggest that the spirit of the legislation legitimises the use of female toilets and shop changing rooms by people like Rose.

my rate is £1000 per hour

You might be better off providing therapeutic services to the "cis" men for their castration anxiety. If you ask me, that's what it boils down to.

Thinking about you, Detroit.

At the same time do we need to be mindful of the latest EHRC guidance?

No. Firstly, don't mislead people. This isn't EHRC statutory guidance, it's an EHRC statement about GRA consultations. Secondly, as you know from endless conversations on here, EHRC is subject to capture and we are distrustful of its links (including high ranking staffers) with Stonewall. Thirdly, following on from secondly, EHRC has already had to be dragged kicking and screaming to amend its statutory guidance due to misrepresenting the law once. Fourthly, we are campaigning - as was the Labour manifesto - to have single sex exemptions extended and strengthened.

No, the GRC holders aren't welcome.

I took it as more of a threat from grey.
I took it as saying
"Grc holders are legally able to use the bathrooms in the UK, so shut up and stop talking about it."

Nah. Im sick of being told to be mindful. I don't see no transwomen being mindful of women's needs or wants in the matter, let alone respectful towards the trauma of victims of male violence, sexual or otherwise.

It wasn’t a threat. Difficult to have a civil conversation if you call any disagreement a threat.

Grc holders are legally able to use the bathrooms in the UK, so shut up and stop talking about it."

No. Grc holders are legally able to use the bathrooms in the UK,

That is fact. On its own. No need for the accusation of threat to be tacked on to the end.

You warned me to be mindful of a law.

That felt threatening to me.