Triggernometry :"Transwomen aren't allowed to disagree with Trans activists.

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Just a heads up for this Sunday's episode of Triggernometry where the boys interview Rose of Dawn and she makes the statement in the thread title above.
An extract here

Nothing unmasks faster the lovely fluffy 'but I'm special' variety of male person like women saying 'no, dude, not even you'

What's that saying about only really understanding the true nature of a person by observing their reaction to being told 'no'?

Yep. Don't give yourself away so readily, Rose!

How to judge a man: tell him no and see what he does.

(Dear monitors: the second sentence is general. I'm not applying it to any particular person.)

& people who don’t accept no as an answer aren’t safe to be around...

I enjoyed this. It's good that the wide range of what trans means now is getting out there to a wider audience. Glad to see a mention of JB there too: Rose has been a dog with a bone on this issue.

Barracker Thank you for that.

Another blinder by Barracker.

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Well said Barracker.

Incidently I have never been 'triggered' in my life. I don't suffer from PTSD.

I also don't suffer fools gladly.

I watched this yesterday.

I find RoD to be generally more rational than many trans commentators but regardless I have no patience for three males sat around deciding what level of sex based rights it's permissible for women to have and where the line should be drawn in handing some of those over to any male who fancies them for the taking.

The two presenters seem oblivious to this frankly sexist and paternalistic position they hold.

Solution is third spaces and RESPECT for the boundaries of women.

But certain subset of male people inevitably get off on pushing women boundaries as far as they can.

This is why women’s spaces are special and different from Men’s. Women do not fetishize male spaces. Certain men fetishize women’s spaces.

So my question for rose is this - if she knew that many women would feel violated by her presence in their spaces (and no way for her to know whether such a woman is in any given space) would she respect that, and use a third space if offered?

If so, awesome.

If not, she’s part of the problem.

If Rose knows that if Rose uses female only spaces as their preferred choice of the spaces available to them, it will mean that some women (and no way to know whether such woman is any given space) will lose access to any space at all, would Rose respect that, and use a third space if offered?

I could, with bitter cynicism answer these questions myself, but I'll be nice and hope a better answer than the ones I expect arise.

I have no patience for three males sat around deciding what level of sex based rights it's permissible for women to have

Me neither.

Which is why, who ever asks the question, the answer is always no.

Well according to their latest vlog the Rose if Dawn episode has 'managed to trigger the feminist Mumsnet forum'. Don't see anyone here being triggered, [...]

To be fair I think that was a joke. Rose is all about free speech and allowing people to have different opinions.

I deprogrammed myself, it works.

I have no patience for three males sat around deciding what level of sex based rights it's permissible for women to have

Exactly what struck me when I started to watch this. Males discuss how women should be allowed to behave, feel and react.

Nope.

all men are men

Yes. And it's quite breathtaking that we are at a point where this small, simple, self-evident statement is so explosive.

The two presenters seem oblivious to this frankly sexist and paternalistic position they hold.

I think they assume that because they are broadly left wing and not old, they can't possibly be sexist. Yet I've listened to a few of their podcasts and never heard them challenged a guest in the way they challenged posie when she said no to men.

I think Posie hit it on the head when she said that they see breasts and long hair and a dress and think "woman" and they agreed. It's as simple as that.

I don't agree with Rose on quite a few things (like I don't with many people!) and find it refreshing to hear from a trans person who thinks independently.

As I was the presenters made some comment about how Rose passed and I thought "Yeah, sitting there is one thing, but what about walking etc". Blair White looks more masculine when walking and in full body photos than sitting in YouTube. So Rose walking into the Ladies' may not be read the same way by women already in there as two blokes sitting having a chat with someone who has breasts rather than a beard.

That doesn't mean Rose has any bad intentions, just not fully aware of quite as much as is stated.

*no idea what the "As I was" is doing there.

*on YouTube!

Blair White looks more masculine when walking and in full body photos than sitting in YouTube.

Yeah, I've never understood why Blair White is held up as an example of passing. White looks exactly like what White is, a male human being.

Also nobody ever seems to mention that not only do XY trans people look male and sound male they smell male. In the real world passing isn't a thing, it only exists at all in photo-shopped images and carefully edited videos online.

@OvaHere

I have no patience for three males sat around deciding what level of sex based rights it's permissible for women to have and where the line should be drawn in handing some of those over to any male who fancies them for the taking.

Hard to disagree with that.

Why can't Rose be accepted by men in male spaces? Why is that so challenging for even the Trigger boys to see as the answer? Traswomen feel threatened by men in their loos? Well, men, stop being horrible to trans women.

Some males dress in feminine ways. Get over it.

Viv, that would not offer trans women the validation they crave by using women's services and spaces. It's not about safety, (and why is trans womens safety more important than women's safety?) It's about validation of their belief that they are women when they are not.

Sure seems that way.

"I have never had a problem" says Rose. Well, that's nice for you, what about the women who lost their rights to single sex spaces because of the choices you made?

And, Rose doesn't pass. Maybe to the Trigger boys, but, not to me. Have yet to see a caucasian TW who does pass.

Really disappointed, I genuinely thought that Rose was different, but, nope, just another person with XY genes telling me that I need to give up my rights to be nice.

Women can't afford to be nice. Being nice on a case by case basis got us here. It's had real life negative consequences for me.

The trigger boys can talk all they want to other boys, deciding to give away women's rights to separate spaces, and forcing our speech to make men more comfortable, it will not make women capitulate to the bullying belittling tactics. Our concerns are real and valid.

To be fair to Rose, Rose doesn’t claim to be a feminist and Rose is entitled to advocate for Rose’s rights as a biologically male transsexual (Rose uses this language in the Triggernometry video Mumsnet mods, don’t panic).

Rose’s actual positions are more or less the same
as India Willoughby’s or Buck Angel’s. Not ‘GC’ but ‘Tru scum’

sjwiki.org/wiki/Truscum

If all male transsexuals were like Rose and Blair, we wouldn’t have gotten to this point but they aren’t and we have.

Now that we are forced by the Karen Whites And Jess Bradleys to set and police a boundary for single sex spaces/sports and services it’e clear that the only logical place to site it is no male people whatsoever, not even the male people who sincerely feel distressing gender dysphoria.

If Triggernometry really want to trigger Mumsnet, then they are going to have to interview a hard core transactivist such as Rachel Veronica Ivy McKinnon.
That will make us Mad At The Internet.

As a victim of male violence I am not ashamed of being triggered by adult males.

Any male in female spaces is equally unwelcome as far as im concerned, whether they pass or not, or have had surgery or not.

Rose CANT be a feminist. Rose is male bodied by their own admission.