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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Urgent, Ireland: public consultation on hate-speech laws. Gender id may be added.

35 replies

CumannNamBan · 12/12/2019 15:14

You have until tomorrow (Friday 13th) to submit a response to a public consultation on the introduction of hate-speech laws. I don't know if that means today is the last day or if submissions can be made tomorrow.

www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Hate_Speech_Public_Consultation

The supporting document specifically mentions potentially adding gender identity to the list of protected groups. I can't find the direct link to the supporting document (it is on the page linked to above) but will have a look.

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ForeverFaithless · 13/12/2019 14:30

Bumping in the hope to reach a few more...

Fraggling · 13/12/2019 15:03

Only read the covering blurb.

Is sex not included?

I mean it never was before despite being protected characteristic but if they're adding stuff then that is pretty obvious? It's an obvious and huge omission (and we all know why it was omitted originally).

ForeverFaithless · 13/12/2019 15:08

Sex was removed a few years ago in Ireland, without any real public knowledge, this is what we now have:

Gender
Civil status
Family status
Sexual orientation
Religion
Age (does not apply to a person under 16)
Disability
Race
Membership of the Traveller community

Fraggling · 13/12/2019 15:34

Interesting

Fraggling · 13/12/2019 15:40

In UK pregnancy and maternity are protected characteristics. Also sex. But of course the hate crime stuff was different.

Anyway.

What's interesting is that the list you give ^ is all sex neutral. Sex itself is not included. I assume stuff like pregnancy is covered theoretically under family status... But that doesn't really fit does it. So they have stripped out all sex related discrimination, already.

Fraggling · 13/12/2019 15:41

50% of the population, subjected to all sorts of shit globally, forever.

Not covered. In fact, protection actively removed.

Wtf is going on here.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 13/12/2019 21:02

Bump.

DublinCrone · 13/12/2019 23:25

@ForeverFaithless do you have any more detail about when sex was removed. I assume it was in some iteration/amendments to the equality act? If you could point to some info sources it would be much appreciated.

HalloumiGus · 13/12/2019 23:26

Survey now closed

merrymouse · 14/12/2019 08:12

and why 'gender ID' before sex?

Presumably because it's assumed that we all identify with a gender and that perpetrators always check identity before doing the hate speech.

"I just wanted to check that I can call you a TERF, but first can I check that you are a radical feminist? thanks so much".

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