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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sky News report on Tavistock

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Mummyoflittledragon · 12/12/2019 06:47

I’m sitting watching a report on sky news about the Tavistock clinic and the impact of identification of trans on children. Finally a mainstream report giving a balanced view.

Out of the 20 psychologists contacted, 6 responded expressing concern with giving children hormonal treatments. news.sky.com/story/nhs-over-diagnosing-children-having-transgender-treatment-former-staff-warn-11875624 Only one clinician agreed to be interviewed and asked for their voice to be changed.

The full report is on sky news another 6 times today.

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Smallblanket · 12/12/2019 07:37

Thanks for posting. Good to have attention on it today while politics is off the air for the day!

rodgmum · 12/12/2019 07:54

Looks like they are going to interview different people at each showing- Stella O’Malley will be on at 12:30 and Debbie Hatton just tweeted to say she hopes to be on at 3:30. They are really highlighting the issue today.

twitter.com/debbiehayton/status/1205012367811207168?s=21

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/12/2019 08:04

Only one clinician agreed to be interviewed and asked for their voice to be changed.

If nothing else that should give people pause for thought...

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 12/12/2019 09:11

Exactly what I was thinking Its.

OvaHere · 12/12/2019 09:37

Asking for your voice to be changed....

Like people do when whistle blowing on mafia type gangs.

Sheesh!

Mummyoflittledragon · 12/12/2019 09:38

rodgymum
Thanks for the heads up. Not wanting to be interviewed on camera speaks volumes. Yes, I do hope those watching will pause for thought.

A female psychologist very openly explained that the children were told the implications of the medication in terms of what it would do to their body. Because children can understand the decisions they take at 10 or 15 will affect them for the next 70 years. 🙄

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AuntSpiker · 12/12/2019 09:40

It's headline news on the website. Excellent.

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 12/12/2019 09:43

Very pleased to see this today!

OvaHere · 12/12/2019 09:55

They can't understand the implications.

Like the 12 yr old from the other day, about to be put on puberty blockers, who thinks they can just have a womb transplant in the future and pop out a baby.

We all know that's not feasible in a male body. This is a young child expressing a future desire to be a parent without understanding that the adults around them are busy removing their only route to becoming a bio parent.

NotBadConsidering · 12/12/2019 09:59

news.sky.com/story/nhs-over-diagnosing-children-having-transgender-treatment-former-staff-warn-11875624

"And if I want kids in the future, which isn't something I'm sure about, I could always adopt."

ItsNearlyMorning · 12/12/2019 10:01

They have also followed that straight up with a segment about people who are "woke" and how that movement are hounding and baying for the blood of anyone who dares to disagree with them.

AgnesNaismith · 12/12/2019 10:02

Just popped up as a push notification on my iPhone....excellent coverage!!

NotBadConsidering · 12/12/2019 10:04

Sorry, didn’t see the link in the OP.

As good as that coverage is, why does no one ever talk about sexual pleasure, or lack there of? Or the significant increase in cardiovascular disease risk.

These children are going to spend their adults lives never having sex, being unable to have a family and will die young from a heart attack or stroke and the clinics JUST KEEP GOING.

Sorry for shouting but I just get the absolute rage thinking about it, these poor kids Angry😢

FlaviaAlbia · 12/12/2019 10:09

Eesh. Adopting today isn't like asking for a child in the way it was years ago when single mothers routinely gave their babies up or had them taken from them.

I wonder if they know the reality of adopting or if that's their immaturity speaking.

rodgmum · 12/12/2019 10:09

That’s one of the things I find most horrifying. Kids can’t possibly know for sure what they will want when they grow up and they can’t truly understand the possible risks like reduced bone density from puberty blockers. Tell a 13 year old that they might get osteoporosis when they are older (and I’m assuming they are told about the bone density risk and what that means!) and they probably won’t really understand what that means.

I swore blind I didn’t want children until I met DH and married at 30. I knew absolutely in my gut that there was no way I wanted them. I don’t think these children should have potential fertility taken away from them at such a young age via sex hormones. Yes, they can adopt but these are healthy bodies doctors are playing with and no adolescent can say for sure how they will feel 10-15 years down the road.

I can also say from personal experience, it is a medicalised path these kids are sent down. I took my DD(14) to the GP at the start of November hoping for a referral for an autism assessment. I was completely ignored while the GP asked my daughter a series of leading questions about her wanting to be a boy and then did she want referred to a gender specialist to be assessed for blockers. It is frightening how the NHS has medicalised this with no room for exploration of related issues.

Mummyoflittledragon · 12/12/2019 10:11

NotBad
No worries. There’s so many things wrong with the statement from Leo that he could just adopt. It really proves just how little children understand of the long term implications and realities.

Do you think children and their parents are told about the long term risks for health and sexual pleasure?

I wonder if in their minds they can have some kind of treatment to overcome this in the future. I remember having some pretty unrealistic views on life and my mortality in the past.

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Birdsfoottrefoil · 12/12/2019 10:12

Flabia immaturity, and listening to the trans script. Along with ‘assigned at birth’, ‘suicide’, ‘harmless pause’

Mummyoflittledragon · 12/12/2019 10:12

rodgmum Shock wtf??

Did you ask to see a different gp?

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DecemberDays · 12/12/2019 10:13

The staggering sense of entitlement on this topic

I will just have a womb transplant, I will just adopt...

Other women’s wombs, other women’s babies - no worries, we can just take them.

Does no-one stop and tell these children ‘no’?

rodgmum · 12/12/2019 10:22

Mummy No, I didn’t want to upset DD. It was all brand new to us and she was being absolutely horrid to us, although oddly, once we told her we would not be affirming her at home, and got the school to stop doing so- a tale in itself- she has been much more relaxed and happy. She has been referred to the gender clinic in Glasgow, but I’ve been told the waiting list is a year long and I’ll be cancelling the appointment as soon as it comes through. No way in hell are we sending her down a medicalised route.

I’d actually spoken to someone from CAHMS who told me unofficially that this was exactly what would happen, that I needed to try to get her referred for something else, in her case, autism. It’s official NHS policy now for gender confused children, but unless you know this in advance, you can easily get sucked into it. The more I find out, the more horrified I am.

I have had a therapist recommended to me from a mum in one of the online groups I’m part of who takes a neutral position and neither affirms nor argues against it- first appointment with DH and myself is tomorrow. This therapist has the child try to really think about why they feel this way, and looks at the child as a whole plus background etc. These therapists are far and few between (and fully booked up!) so I’m really hoping DD will agree to work with her.

Mummyoflittledragon · 12/12/2019 10:31

That sounds like a great step and something all children should have to go through rather than being forced through the medicalised route. I really hope the therapist will help your dd. Poor girl. If your experience is anything to go by, the spike in girls being referred for rapid onset gender dysphoria is no surprise. Flowers

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Birdsfoottrefoil · 12/12/2019 10:43

That is horrific rodgmum. Although I don’t think it odd that she is happier to be told she is not being affirmed. I imagine it could come as a big relief not to have to try and live up to the expectations of the gender ideologues and relief that someone external to her has removed that pressure.

OvaHere · 12/12/2019 10:48

I can also say from personal experience, it is a medicalised path these kids are sent down. I took my DD(14) to the GP at the start of November hoping for a referral for an autism assessment. I was completely ignored while the GP asked my daughter a series of leading questions about her wanting to be a boy and then did she want referred to a gender specialist to be assessed for blockers. It is frightening how the NHS has medicalised this with no room for exploration of related issues.

That's terrifying.

OvaHere · 12/12/2019 10:56

I wonder if in their minds they can have some kind of treatment to overcome this in the future. I remember having some pretty unrealistic views on life and my mortality in the past.

I can distinctly remember sat in a science lesson about age 14 having a convo with my best friend about how we just couldn't imagine being 18 and an adult. Like it was some wondrous far away thing, so far away it was almost like we would never get there!

We're still good friends and now in our 40s we often laugh at how these days four years is gone in the blink of an eye.

Children have a very different concept of time, adulthood, feelings and the stages of life. Which is why sensible and cautious adults are needed to safeguard them - sometimes from themselves!

theflushedzebra · 12/12/2019 11:04

Wow, I see they haven't even gone with the "assigned at birth" stuff - they're saying "born female".

A shocking report though - "therapy is not an option in this service" and "we fear that we have had front row seats to a medical scandal" Shock

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