Sam Smith's 'feminine self'

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Sam's back spouting more sexist claptrap:

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7765891/Sam-Smith-reveals-feeling-vulnerable-releasing-new-music-feminine-self.html

Sam explained the reason for being "scared": 'Being my feminine self in this world that we're in, I mean the music industry can be a bit homophobic, a bit sexist at times,

'So being feminine like this in the way I move and dance and am, it feels quite scary at times but is worth it.'

Sam then goes on to promote more regressive female stereotyping:

After checking out the size of presenter Symon's heeled boots, Sam said: 'I don't know how you girls do it, I can't go out dancing in heels ... Red carpet, I can do it all day. But singing live in heels? It's impossible.'

Sam Smith is hilarious and only shows up the absurdity of all this. I'm starting to wonder if Sam's not secretly on our side.

Me too. And I'm hoping that Alex 'I can bring out the lesbian in you' Drummond of Stonewall will turn out to be a Chris Morris project.

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Does that go for all threads about celebrities, politicians & members of the Royal Family?

I'm still confused about the actor who plays Lando in Star Wars saying that his 'gentler side' means he has 'feminine' traits and is therefore 'gender fluid'. He's 82 FFS and should know better.

Well I've good news for you on that score then. The day after all the articles on Billy Dee Williams coming out as gender fluid, Williams did another interview. In it he said he was shocked by all the articles and was wondering 'what the hell is gender fluid?' He said that in the interview he spoke of how as a younger man he had read Carl Jung's theories of Anima and Animus and it was something that made him feel ok about being consistently in touch with his softer side in a time when that was less acceptable for men.

"Rich privileged white man claims oppression because it’s the only thing his money can’t buy him."

Thank you, @GCAcademic! That is wonderfully concise and precise, and applies far far wider than to this one man.

Gah. So offensively sexist.

So he's not 'macho' or an alpha male. He feels expressive and sensitive. He feels weak and vulnerable sometimes. Yeah right, all of these are innately feminine-female. Real men couldn't possibly be any of those things. Just as real proper women can't possibly be strong, assertive, loud, authoritative.

What he shares in common with women is suffering the effects of toxic masculinity, which is naturally homophobic.

Lou Reed was up on stage in a skirt before them all, despite his parents forcing him to under go shock treatments for being bisexual and the media treating him like a pervert for daring to wear women’s clothes, be opening bi, write songs about the lgbt (t as in transsexuals and transvestites, as the difference was openly acknowledged) community from the factory. I always loved that unlike every other rock star who married young models Lou eventually ended up married to Laurie Anderson, who is a beautiful, talented and intelligent woman who also looks her age, isn’t stick thin and full plastic surgery, clearly not perverted.

Kurt Cobain wore women’s clothing at times on stage. He frequently donated to women’s dv & rape crisis charities and publicly said we need to stop teaching women not to be rape victims and start teaching men not to rape, which felt radical in the 90’s but now feels like it was a turning point in awareness.

Nicky Wire was also very clear that wearing make up and women’s clothes didn’t make him any less of a man, or any less straight, and that it wasn’t a sexual thing. He was always clear how much he admired and respected his mother also and said there was no reason men couldn’t wear skirts and make up. I wish he would speak up on the self id law, he has always been brave about speaking on political views previously.

Is Sam Smith gay? Maybe a lesbian should tweet him asking if he’d be willing to go down on a male vagina?

And probably the main reason that he can't dance all night in high heeled shoes is that women tend to have a more pronounced curve in our lower backs and different pelvises than men (because babies), which allows our pelvises to tilt when we wear high heeled shoes. This is half the point of wearing very high heels - to give 'dainty' feet and sticking out 'doggy style' bum in the idealised/sexualised feminine shape. Men are less likely to have this back/pelvis shape and so physically they cannot accentuate a female shape because they don't posess one in the first place. Also men emphasising the 'receiving a penis from behind' position is obviously challenging to some.

But am saying little about the men who want to be more visibly sexualised, in the style of women or not, and the comparison with women generally fighting to be less sexualsied, when many of us are really uncomfortable that this is culturally thrust upon us by men (pun intended).

Women's clothes should be considered women's clothes because they perform a function that women need eg a bra, or are designed to better fit our female shapes. NOT deemed women's clothes because they are sexualised.

My ex flat mate of 10 years is the most wonderfully camp and theatrical gay man.
He thinks that 10/20/30 years ago he would just have been a camp homosexual like himself and it pains him to see younger people can't accept that's ok.
You don't need to change your pronouns or make grand statements.
Mind you hasn't Sam Smith just released a new album ?
Call me cynical but that's a coincidence and a half .

Has he never seen Prince??

Haha he's a bloody poor imitation of prince .
Prince was magnificent

Nowhere near! Smith is trying way too hard to be interesting - and I don’t think he has a voice to speak of.

Who is their market? I quite like their music when I hear it on the radio but it's my mum (nearly 70) who actually buys their CD's. She couldn't give a rat's arse about their image. So who are they trying so hard to appeal to? I honestly can't place the audience. Blimey that was hardwork, kudos to those who type this sort of stuff more often!

It’s not about the market. It’s being ‘special’ .
Like the whole being the fist openly gay man to win an Oscar gubbins (wasn’t even true).
They want to push the boundaries and be significant. You can’t force that stuff.
I think just being really camp would be more interesting to be honestly. Probably not as acceptable?

Push boundaries! Boy George, Marilyn, even further back to the 70s glam bands (every one seemed to have a man in his mams dress).

1/10 for effort. Must try harder...

The GNC looks of the 70s rockstars were way more interesting than anything Smith has come up with so far.

Phil Lynott is a particular favourite of mine:

Just how did he get into those trousers? Ouch!!

Plenty of current pop artists wearing gender non conforming clothes without claiming to be anything other than their birth sex.
Yungblud quite often wears a dress on stage I think and describes himself as a mostly straight male. Harry Styles I think is similar although mostly says everyone should mind their own business about his private life.
Nothing shocking or earth shattering about occasionally putting a frock on. I even do it myself on special occasions.

I once asked a metaller lad a similar question in the early 90s...

He said he rolled them on like a condom 😂

Didn’t Kurt Cobayn wear a dress (and was posthumously transed) and Kevin from Dexys Midnight Runners in his gay (not trans) phase?

Kevin Rowland really creeps me out. The publicity photos for the My Beauty album and its cover are not something I want to be reminded of.

was it the white knickers and hairy legs? He gave me the creeps before that anyway! I always thought Come On Eileen was a bit rapey...

Mike Burkitt ('Fat Mike') from NOFX openly wears dresses or skirts on stage because he likes it. He also launched a range of "panties" and dresses for men. fataledesign.com

They even have a song about how he doesn't want to be a woman, and "makeup is too much of an ordeal", but he likes his "panties" and dresses and is old enough to just get on with it. Not gay, not camp, a bit AGP maybe but (as far as I'm aware) not predatory, just open about what he likes. And no one in punk batted an eyelid.

He's like a crap Boy George.

He's mediocre and desperate for attention.

That's a review, not a personal attack.