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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

So where have you been asked about your gender identity rather than your sex?

81 replies

xxyzz · 05/12/2019 00:17

Just got a survey from ENO about a recent visit to the London Coliseum.

I was asked what my "gender identity" was.

I ticked "other" and explained I didn't have a gender identity, as there is no such thing, but I had a biological sex, which was female.

This substituting of "gender identity" for "sex" seems to have become mainstream in just the last year or so.

Apologies if there's already a thread on this, but if not, could people lease list below other companies/organisations who have now routinely removed all reference to biological sex in favour of gender identity?

To get a sense of the scale of the problem - and possible mass email or tweet them on this.

No idea why English National Opera would care that eg one of their male patrons likes to wear eyeliner on a Wednesday. Confused

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ememem84 · 05/12/2019 09:53

I am slightly concerned that my flamingo gender might be taken seriously though and I’ll be sent to the vets....

I ranted at my gp recently because the literature she gave me about the coil suggested that people with cervixes can have them fitted. Ffs. I mean I know I have a cervix. And im a woman. But. Mannnn

TiredofthisBS · 05/12/2019 09:57

Oh yes. I remember I started to fill out a questionnaire for cats protection which asked me his gender. I don't know, I'll ask him and confirm what his preferred pronouns are while I'm at it or state he identifies as a dog. FFS

Rubidium · 05/12/2019 09:58

Occasionally I participate in surveys over the phone. I did one recently, the results of which were in the news yesterday, incidentally, about gambling. I was also asked about the performance of my local council, and how regularly I change my home energy supplier/ internet provider/ bank account etc. At the end they take demographic information e.g. age, income bracket. The poor guy conducting the survey had to give me a great big rambling spiel about how some people's gender identity does not correlate with the gender assigned to them at birth and some people identify as non-binary or queer. "Does this apply to you?"
No, I am female and I am a woman. FFS.

TiredofthisBS · 05/12/2019 09:58

*my cat's gender.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 05/12/2019 09:59

I changed gender to sex on a school form.

Also on a work survey.
First question was "what do you identify with"
a) as a woman
b) as a man
c) other, please specify.....

Second question, "does your birth sex match your gender identity"
a) yes
b) no
c) other, please specify......

They won't have liked my answers.

TheABC · 05/12/2019 10:01

Substituting gender for sex has been going on for years as it was considered less embarrassing (I remember talking about this two decades ago at the RNIB). Up until now, there has been very little dissonance between the two - it's the trans issue that has made it so explosive.

Having said all of that, if it's "what do you identify as", that organisation has clearly been stonewalled.

TiredofthisBS · 05/12/2019 10:04

Saying that I have (very recently) starting seeing forms that say Are you: Male, Female, Transgender etc,
Or is your child: Male Female.
I think this is much better.

kjhkj · 05/12/2019 10:07

You're all buying into this and making it worse. Gender and sex have been used interchangeably on forms for years by organisations that don't want to say the rude "sex" word Shock. That doesn't mean they've suddenly gone all woke.

I have however been advising clients to use the word sex and not gender on their equal opps monitoring forms because of the fact that some people now say gender and sex are different.

However - Neom wanted to know if I was male, female or non binary.

TheresWaldo · 05/12/2019 10:15

I saw a job advert recently where it said open to M/F/X. I am not sure what x is or why it matters

TiredofthisBS · 05/12/2019 10:18

I've only seen Gender on everything in the last couple of years. Before that it was sex.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/12/2019 10:24

Having spent interminable years collecting information for EU funding I can confidently say that 'Gender' has only appeared on forms recently.

Previously, in less woke years, the 'rude word' Sex was used, to match the protected characteristics of the legislation that existed prior to the EA2010.

Nowadays the common sense attitude towards data collection when the data actually mattes, will directly affect funding, health care etc, seems to have been thrown the the Woke Wolves!

maslinpan · 05/12/2019 10:46

No one has asked me for my preferred pronouns to date. If I say I am non-binary, I might ask them to alternate between he and she and get offended if this is not done consistently each time they refer to me.

MoreFeministThanThou · 05/12/2019 11:02

I suspect that you get ticked off into the "non binary" category by anyone reading the response you gave OP.

I think "I have a vagina, make of that what you will" might explain it better to the average person not versed in transactivism or gender critical feminism.

MoreFeministThanThou · 05/12/2019 11:03

I spend a lot of time around woke uni students. No one has asked my pronouns. Aged grumpy woman who hasn't brushed hair for a week or slept for years doesn't get its own special pronoun apparently.

EverardDigby · 05/12/2019 11:09

You're all buying into this and making it worse. Gender and sex have been used interchangeably on forms for years by organisations that don't want to say the rude "sex" word . That doesn't mean they've suddenly gone all woke

I don't like gender instead of sex, but I think what is new is the "what is your gender identity?" question, followed by the same as assigned at birth question. I don't have a bloody gender identity, I think it's a load of oppressive nonsense, how am I supposed to answer this?

thenightsky · 05/12/2019 11:49

I'm a member of several paid survey sites and I always give them a few sentences of explanation about gender being an oppressive tool of the patriarchy if there is an 'other' box. if they ask for sex or say "are you: [ ] male [ ] female" they get the simple answer.

I'm another one who does this (about 6 surveys a week). I've noticed the British based ones are more likely to say 'sex' though.

itcamefrombeckyvardyself · 05/12/2019 12:32

On my last apparently anonymous employee survey.

I put other and in the comments wrote "female sex not gender"

Tidy2018 · 05/12/2019 12:50

Our primary school after the summer holidays on its permission forms. I wanted to score it out and write “sex”, but chickened out because both kids have special needs and I’m nervous of alienating the school.

YessicaHaircut · 05/12/2019 12:53

I had this on a work survey a few weeks ago.
It asked for “Sex Identifier” and you could specify Male, Female, or Other/Non-binary.
Then the question about “do you identify with your sex assigned at birth”. It’s batshit - non-binary is not a “sex identifier” and obviously people were then given the chance to say they were trans/non-binary underneath. I will be emailing them; the local authority I work for obviously recognises “sex” and “gender” as separate things because they have a transgender policy.
And yes, we only collect data on the gender of our pupils and staff, not their sex. I have already complained about this and was told that the Department for Education has instructed us to ask for gender only.

Daughterofmabel · 05/12/2019 13:09

'don't fill in anything that asks for my gender identity. If its a paper form i cross it out and write sex. If its online and i have to fill it in I choose "other" just to fuck up their statistics

This

Goosefoot · 05/12/2019 13:43

I don't see many asking for gender identity, can only remember filing out one like that and I think it was a market survey. I see many asking about just gender, which I usually think they are using as a substitute for sex, which is what they are really wanting to know. In a way I almost find that more annoying, but at the same time I think it's an error on their part, not intentional.
If it's paper I will correct it, but mostly these days it seems to be electronic.

Goosefoot · 05/12/2019 13:51

You're all buying into this and making it worse. Gender and sex have been used interchangeably on forms for years by organisations that don't want to say the rude "sex" word shock. That doesn't mean they've suddenly gone all woke.

No, it doesn't mean that, but it has contributed to the problem of people not realising what is going on in the public discussion of gender vs sex. They always have been different, but for a period it didn't matter much as there wasn't a real sense that they could really differ in some total way, that you might just have decided to use different pronouns for example.

I think it's important to correct this kind of unconscious use when possible.

UpperLowercaseSymbolNumber · 05/12/2019 13:59

I appreciate that gender used to be used as a polite synonym for sex but these days it must be challenged. And I do when I see it.

The last one I saw was for early years pre school funding and asked whether my child’s gender is male or female. I crossed out gender and replaced with sex. My child more often identifies as a dinosaur or a train than a girl or boy ffs.

I almost cheered when I saw the religious reference form I needed to get completed and it said sex.

DoctorTwo · 05/12/2019 14:00

When I was filling in a form whilst waiting for a minor procedure in hospital. A nurse was asking me questions at the same time, and when I got to the 'Gender: Male/Female' I said "what's this bollocks? Gender my arse. There are two sexes". I crossed out gender and wrote sex and as I have a Y chromosome I circled the male option.

FWIW the (female) nurse agreed with me :o and explained that's how the forms were designed. Hmm

Siameasy · 05/12/2019 14:02

A staff survey at work. I put other but there was nowhere to complain
I go to gymnastics and they asked me if I was “the gender I was assigned at birth”
I was like “what?”. You could tell the woman was embarrassed and thought it stupid.

I bought one of those Petlandia books (it’s a personalised book about your actual pet)and was asked the gender of my cat.😂

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