Why aren't you all over James Haskell?

[BetterABird]

The trans people who are ex offenders is such a small percentage, why not watch people like James Haskell and other 'alpha' males who are a real threat to feminism?

No offence to Chloe Medeley (who is intelligent and very articulate), I'm not a big reality show person but something caught my eye.

There are so many abusive men out there so why focus on the very few trans people who are?

Yikes. Is it school hols over there or something?

Hang on - your position is that so many women are raped, that those raped due to the removal of safeguarding don’t matter and we should stop talking about it??

@2BthatUnnoticed that certainly seems to be OP's stance.

OP - are you saying that women have more to fear from people like James Haskell, than from transwomen?
I don't really understand your post.

Who is James Haskell?

If you have a look then there are plenty threads about abusive men, just look at the Prince Andrew threads for an example.

Hang on - your position is that so many women are raped, that those raped due to the removal of safeguarding don’t matter and we should stop talking about it??

That sums up ex-Stonewall head Ruth Hunt’s view. ‘Men are always going to rape women’ (so stop worrying about it & just prioritise men).

I am aware of James Haskell from seeing a bit of the jungle show, had no idea there was anything misogynistic about him but I guess I missed a lot. He seemed OK to me.

What's all this about him photographing people having sex? Did he really admit to doing that (how old was he, 13?)? I'd have thought it would have been a criminal offence. If he did it.

There must be more to this man that meets the eye.

You have a narrow idea of what abuse looks like. Just because a man isn't overtly aggressive, doesn't mean he's not abusive.

There was a scene in IAC yesterday I think where two women were holding up a blanket to preserve Caitlyn Jenner's modesty whilst CJ showered naked.

Insisting that women ignore sex and treat male bodies as though they were female bodies is also abusive.

Love your sentence analysis, now I want to diagram it...

Whoops, that was to WhereYouLeftIt

No thanks I can think for myself I dont need you random internet stranger to "tell" me who I should be concerned about

The threat from trans ideology is also a threat from non trans males. People trans activists are proposing we let into spaces where women are vulnerable = {transwomen} u {men who are prepared to lie}.

No way to keep the latter out. Kind of by definition, if they are prepared to lie to get access, 100% of them are a risk. They may well be more numerous than the entire category of transwomen once abusive men cotton on that all they need to do is say "I identify as...". The number of "transwomen" sex offenders in the prison stats suggests to me that's starting to happen in prisons. (Unless you want to argue that TW are more likely to be sex offenders than men in general.)

But how many women are raped by the small number of trans people compared to the number of rugby buggers out there. They may not be in women's hostages but I'm sure there are loads.*

But is this not because there's much less trans people out there over men/rugby players?

Sorry I'm totally missing the point here. When did James Haskel rape someone?

James has been terrific for feminism. He's converted a whole range of women who dislike his brand of misogyny.

(Unless you want to argue that TW are more likely to be sex offenders than men in general.)
Creepster up thread did literally just say that! Which is a pretty outrageous assertion tbh. Creepster I think you are missing the obvious, which is that man in prison are more likely to say they are trans to get special treatment, not that transpeople are more likely to be sex offenders!

I think you are missing the obvious, which is that man in prison are more likely to say they are trans to get special treatment, not that transpeople are more likely to be sex offenders!

If you go with self-ID & Stonewall’s Acceptance without Exception line, then Karen White, Katie Dolatowski & all the rest of them are trans if they say they are.

If you don’t accept that, then that’s an admission that some men will pretend to be trans for their own advantage.

So which?

But how many women are raped by the small number of trans people compared to the number of rugby buggers out there. They may not be in women's hostages but I'm sure there are loads.

But should we let the rugby men into the spaces where women are undressing or asleep?

Should we let them play rugby against women?

What do you think, OP?

I think you are missing the obvious, which is that man in prison are more likely to say they are trans to get special treatment, not that transpeople are more likely to be sex offenders!

So how do we tell these men who lie to get special treatment in prison, or to enter a women’s changing room, or to cheat at sport, or to gain access to children from bona fire transwomen? By stonewall’s definition they are transwomen and any gatekeeping of these spaces should be removed to allow these men access.

No idea who James Haskell is.

Busy at the moment trying to prevent the govt removing the right of women to actually define themselves as a sex class,

have sex based rights due to bodies they can't identify out of which are the basis of females being the oppressed sex (objectification/stupid gender stereotyping,pregnancy, childbirth, unequal pay, sexual harassment, rape being pointless to prosecute, DV not taken seriously, insufficient refuge places, unequal political representation, unequal job opportunities, stuff like that)

excluding a large number of women from services/spaces if they have a disability, religion or faith or a history of having been sexually abused etc and cannot be in a state of undress around any male regardless of how that male subjectively identifies

children being subjected to medical experimentation outside of standard protocols because a small political lobby of males say so

safeguarding for children being subjected to loosening and experimentation outside of the standard protocols because a small political lobby of males say so

policy and regulatory capture by this small political lobby meaning all agencies including NHS, police and govt (Local and National) operating outside of their own standard protocols, misrepresenting the law in the interests of this lobby group against the interests or even basic civil and human rights of women and children (please see judge's comments in the case last week about 'if the govt are removing fundamental human rights they must face up to the reality of what they are doing')

Lesbian women being bullied, harassed and excluded if they will not submit to conversion therapy to give sex to biological males/removing the right of women to be homosexual because it's excluding and upsetting to males

Women not able to go into refuges and having to return to violent and dangerous homes, or become homeless (one MNetter is actually living on the streets) because their trauma means they cannot share a space with a male person regardless of how that male person identifies themselves, and refuges always women only have suddenly informed those women that the needs and feelings of biological males is everyone's first priority and they can put those males first or take their chances. (2-3 women die per week in domestic violence from male partners, the refuges themselves say there is very little risk of a TW receiving severe or life threatening injury in dv)

I mean how bad do you want things to fucking get for women? Unless James Haskell is driving all the above he's your problem love, I've got much bigger ones to worry about.

It doesn't matter whether they're rugby players, or footballers, or whether they identify as trans or nonbinary or whatever.

The only relevant criteria here is that they're biologically male & thus have no right to be in women's spaces.

It's not a value judgement. Womanhood isn't something that can be achieved or negotiated or gatekept. It's just a fact based on chromosomes and birth genitals.

No idea who he is and even if I did, why on earth should I ‘be all over him’? Bizarre post OP.

I had no idea who James Haskell was either. Having skimmed the obvious goady thread - why is it still here? I thought goading was uncivil and not in the spirit? Or does that only work one way? Mod team? What say you? - I now have a rough idea who he is and why I'm supposed to know. So I have a question of my own...

Why is a low rent TV reality show that I've never watched in my life inciting dozens of threads on a feminist forum? If it's not Jenner, it's this idiot.

If you're going to put a thread about a TV show onto a feminist board, could OPs at least explain that in their OPs? Then the rest of us can just ignore it.

Oh! You mean what he said on I'm a Celeb? I had to Google it.

I've met him a few times, he was really polite, pleasant company. Yes, a big, sporting lump but with far less ego than you might imagine!

And yes, you might have explained what you were talking about in your OP, then we could all have made an informed decision without wasting time.

The reason why I love Mumsnet is because most of it (not all obviously) but a lot of it is feminist by default.

Go the the Relationships board, there are pages and pages of the type of feminism you're describing in your OP.

So many clever, articulate women describing DARVO to confused women who started a thread titled eg "Is DH abusive?" or "Is he cheating?" Etc etc. Responses informing the OP of "Women's Aid", how to leave an abusive man, how best to stay safe, emotional support, pages and pages of it.

This entire site is feminism. Women helping women. New mothers asking for advice from other mothers.

Obviously there are bun fights galore, and some advice is crap, but overall to fight patriarchy, to fight women's impression, women need to talk together.

And they can talk about whatever the hell they want.

This is the feminist board, where women come to talk specifically about women's rights. Not just bash men because some of them are abusive. The focus on trans issues is because, you obviously haven't noticed, but women's rights are being completely reformed by trans activism and women's voices on the issue have been oppressed.

Stop being complicit in women's oppression.

The trans people who are ex offenders is such a small percentage, why not watch people like James Haskell and other 'alpha' males who are a real threat to feminism

There are multiple issues and levels on which women have to struggle....not just one.

The thing you ned to understand that for gender critical people, 'transgenderism' in its contemporary form has now become a cult.

We tend not to believe that it is possible to change one's sex; and that dysphoria ( when it exists) is actually a mental health issue - not the signal that someone is actually in the wrong body.

Men cannot become women, no matter what their feelings or how they identify. The trans umbrella is now so big those who come under it range from the 'old school', severely dysphoric, fully transitioned transsexuals, to transvestites gone full time, to fetishists, to blokes who want to " change the bandwidth of what it means to be a woman"......Then there are the thousands of young lesbians who are being transitioned in order to avoid misogyny and lesbophobia.

It is deeply offensive to call transwomen women. They are not! They are trans; and they are still male. Women need and require genuine single sex services and provisions, and the right to their own sporting categories - because women have specific vulnerabilities due to the greater size and strength of men, in general, and also protection from male sexual paraphilias and fetish - in their intimate spaces.

Civil rights are one thing. Moving in on female only spaces is another.