5 year old trans person

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How is this considered good parenting rather than child abuse? It says they've been reported to social services, so at least one person has concerns, but yet they still seem to be able to plough ahead with it. Surely there should be some protection for a child who isn't even old enough to be trusted to choose their own clothes, let alone their gender.

My 5 year old is a "rock star". Gonna let him chuck the tv out of the window in a drug fuelled rage later

Call me crazy here, but wasn't Frozen the most popular Disney movie in generations? And that's why there's a sequel? Gosh, so strange that children would want to dress up as a character from that. Must mean something very unusual is at work

You seem a bit sensitive about this? Yes! My granddaughter loves it too......however many children are brought up on a diet of almost exclusively Disney..... & every major town or city has a Disney store; and there is a Disney channel too. Even in my local children's hospital the waiting room shows the Disney channel, when it is not showing channels full of adverts for plastic toys and the like.

I've longer felt that Disney promotes extreme stereotypes...... & the whole consumeristic 'princess' culture has been driven by Disney.
Boys watch this too, of course....not just girls.

when you’ve got a kid who’s so adamant she’s a girl she’s ripping her hair off and banging her head off the walls?”

If that is true then this is obviously a very troubled child. I really hope they are accessing appropriate help howeverthey seem to be regarding transitioning the child as a panacea.

I've longer felt that Disney promotes extreme stereotypes

Media imagery is very powerful, and especially for young children. The whole trans cult started in the U.S. Many theses have been written on the power of Disney to shape the imagination: pdfs.semanticscholar.org/b244/4a5af37d2b4f7f3672b99a6225d06f3e45c6.pdf : An Argument on Disney and Psychological Development

when you’ve got a kid who’s so adamant she’s a girl she’s ripping her hair off and banging her head off the walls?”

I'd be really quite concerned about what that child thinks a girl vs boy is. Mine didn't see any differences when clothes were on at that stage. They went tribal when they were older.

. I know I'm going on about this a bit but.......It has been said that the cult/ure of transgenderism has arisen out of a post modernist consumer culture, where individual identities can be tailor made to suit and/or purchased.

Disney initiates children into consumerism and never lets go

"Any parent can attest to the insatiable craving for the Disney merchandise that follows the release of each film. Communications scholar Eric Jenkins contends that Disney has engineered this and “not only promotes consumerist behavior but trains us in the habits of consumerism.” Disney animation encourages viewers to project emotions onto objects; buying Disney products offers further interaction with these emotions. Disney has endless avenues for communication, and this communication ensures the company such ubiquity that it consistently ranks among the world’s most powerful brands".

I feel like we’ve regressed. Gender stereotypes seem even more prevalent now.

I wonder if Greg being transgender has also added to the child’s desire as Greg hasn’t had surgery to his lower half. I also wonder why they just can’t let Jayden wear whatever without labelling it boy or girl. I feel for these children. The self harm is extreme but I’d be interested to know if this was before or after the surgery (I had a headbanger and it was through inability to verbally communicate).

These are children and I think we could end up having children with some major issues going forward.

That poor child.

I avoid Disney like the plague, we prefer Shaun the Sheep, The Clangers and Thomas the Tank in our house thank goodness.

Disney isn't the only children's programming to be wary of though, CBBC is following behind with Dr Ronx and I am Leo.

Even Blaze the Monster Machine has a female mechanic.

It was Laing and Esterson I think. (Sanity, Madness and the Family)

My sister also had a boys name when we played - she was always 'the boy'. My parents said 'that's nice' and bought her the toys and clothes she wanted. No drama, no confusion, no newspapers...

My sister also had a boys name when we played - she was always 'the boy'. My parents said 'that's nice' and bought her the toys and clothes she wanted. No drama, no confusion, no newspapers

Your sister sounds like me when I was a child... up until puberty really. Now I'm the mother of 3 and wouldn't want it any other way.

I didn't feel the need to rip out my hair and bang my head against walls. My parents let me dress how I wanted and play with what I wanted. No drama, or media attention.

That poor child 😢

My sister is gay, and she also gave me a boys name when we played. Now that could have been an interesting news story!

"Since I could speak in full sentences, I was like, 'Give me a dress!' I always knew on some level that I was female. But it crystallized about three years ago when I was a 14-year-old watching the show I Am Jazz with my mother," Josie wrote. "I looked over at her in the middle of the show and said, 'This is me. I’m transgender. And I need to go through this.' My mother, who is immensely supportive and gracious, said, 'Okay, let’s do it.' Three days later I was meeting with my pediatrician, who referred me to a specialist, who put me on a hormone blocker. From that point on, I hit the ground running : www.teenvogue.com/story/disneys-josie-totah-came-out-as-transgender#

Putting aside the sadness of this story, what I find so interesting is that 2 parents who are both transgender so have clearly suffered in the past because their personal identity didn't fit with gender stereotypes have clearly enforced these stereotypes so strongly.

If Dad is mum and mum is dad, I would expect the child to have a very fluid understanding of gender and would know that wearing a dress doesn't make you a girl. Or to be much less aware of gender altogether.

Weird that this child seems to have a far stronger sense of stereotypical gender identity than my 6 year old who knows that the clothes she wears don't define her and that her life choices are not pre-determined based on her sex.

My mum forced me to wear frilly dresses. I reacted by fighting to have a butch style and being boyish. I didn't need hormone blockers, which is where I'd be if it were today. I needed support to recognise that my parents were deeply sexist and that their beliefs are a weird. Fortunately an older woman helped me see it.

Sexism and homophobia is what I see being celebrated by stealth instead of challenged.

I'm confused, Greg is an XX trans person who has had Greg's perfectly healthy breasts chopped off and Jodie, the child's mother, is trans how exactly?

Poor kid, no wonder he doesn't know which way is up when grown adults are befuddled by his mother and step parent.

As for Disney, always did loathe them. Seems my instincts were bang on the money.

This is a tough one, since I know the family and have known Jody since she was born. The story linked to is clearly just stolen from elsewhere and is out of date.

Jayden was born shortly after Jody's 16th birthday. She married a man in the army 2 days after her birthday and it was not a happy union and didn't last long. It's safe to say she had a lot of disruption and trauma in her teenage years but to her credit she has worked hard to go back to school and go to college and then uni as a very young mum.

Jody and Greig were never married (the same surname is a coincidence), they split up earlier this year and she moved back to hometown.

I know Jody's family are not happy with the way she is bringing her child up, I also know when she first visited the GP to talk about Jayden's gender she was told to keep it low key but within a month was in the Daily Mail selling her story.

I don't wish to gossip Ginger honestly this comes from concern - is Jody getting any therapy, is Jayden? Does Jayden see the father? This is very disturbing situation, as I'm sure you would agree.

This is a tough one, since I know the family and have known Jody since she was born. The story linked to is clearly just stolen from elsewhere and is out of date.

How is this tough?

A 5 year old, no matter how mature or who their parents are, or what their background lacks the capacity to understand the difference between stereotypes, sex and gender identity and how they all relate to each other.

I too don't think this is tough at all...

Maybe Ginger just means it's tough to talk about.

Oh the Silver Brumby! And Cobbler's Dream. If someone had said to me, here, take this pill, you can be a pony - I'd've snatched their hand off. Surgery to give you four legs and a tail? Bring it on!

Fortunately my parents were (relatively) normal and didn't let me transition to be a horse

Head banging and hair pulling sounds more like the self injurious behaviour that some autistic children exhibit: www.autism.org.uk/about/behaviour/challenging-behaviour/self-injury.aspx

Ginger could you please try and pass this information on to Jody? I realise that if trans is the top of your mind (due to day, an ex) then it’s easy to jump to that conclusion, so no judgement, but raising a boy in the spectrum on your own is very challenging (been there! Although mine instead he was Buzz Lightyear, rather than Anna from from Frozen) and the earlier the diagnosis, the more support you can access.

Once you have defined "boy" and "girl" in your family just to mean liking certain things and clothes, of course kids are going to use the words that way! But at that point its a pretty meaningless statement.