How can you be non binary if there are more than two genders?

[Fairenuff]

If you actually self identify as non binary, what are you really saying?

Obviously you don't believe there are just two sexes, male and female, as otherwise you would agree that you are whichever sex your body actually is.

But if you believe there are several genders then you can't be non binary because genders are not binary.

I think that if you say you are non binary you are, by default, admitting that there are just two sexes and you acknowledge that you are one of them.

So how is any of that part of being transgender?

It isn't. It means you are very special, damaged or a narc.

It's just a new, less fun way of being androgynous.

There's no internal consistency in any of this, so don't do your head it looking for it.

We all know there are not hundreds of genders.

It doesn't even mean gender non-conforming. Have a look on Twitter and you will see plenty of NBs who totally conform to a gender stereotype.

It just means they don't identify as either male or female.

Because its all a load of stereotypical bollocks.

All 'non-binary' people are either male or female. To say you 'don't identify as male or female' is to say that anyone who isn't 'non-binary' fits neatly into stereotypical boxes of what it is to be male or female.

It's so regressive.

It just means they don't identify as either male or female.

But male and female aren't 'identities'.

If gender is not tied to sex then theoretically is it not possible for there to be hundreds of genders?

That's my understanding.

I thought non-binary was saying no gender defines you and you do not subscribe to any 'category' description or definition.

They don't identify with either the male or female stereotypes in their social setting. They think that other people perform parts of those stereotypes because they deeply identify with them.

You see a lot of non-binary young women. Not old ones. Old ones are gender critical instead. The young ones still think that older women are oppressed by the patriarchy out of choice. If we wanted we could have behaved differently and not been trapped into the oppressive female gender expectations.

That we somehow ended up here is probably down to us identifying with the female stereotypes. What other explanation is there? People can be anything they want to be. We must have wanted this.

They don't want that oppression so hey presto call themselves non-binary and they are exempt from societal expectations and everyday oppression of women.

It is going to be a right rude awakening for them. I bet we'll have an influx of them on Relationships and AIBU in a couple of years.

Because none of this horseshit makes any sense, so there's no reason to expect it to be consistent.

I thought non-binary was saying no gender defines you and you do not subscribe to any 'category' description or definition.

But then why use the word 'binary'. It's totally inappropriate when you apply it to multiple genders.

It requires a set of really regressive beliefs:

1. Everyone has a gender identity.
2. The vast majority of the population not only have a gender identity that 'matches' their sex, but are also happy and comfortable with it (usually categorised as 'don't even think about it', reinforcing their mundane, dull nature)
3. Therefore, most people are 'binary', but by having a thought or reading a Tumblr post that sets you apart from this kind of conformity, you can be special, different and uniquely oppressed.

I think this is why they get so upset over the gender-free movement, as it involves a lot of people they've put in the box of 'unthinking binaristic female like my mum' expressing core non-binary beliefs, and that injures their specialness.

So stupid that they don't see the value of addressing and challenging gender stereotypes to allow anyone to wear what they want or do what they want whatever sex they are and instead decide to be their own special category.

And the phrase itself is just so irritating. It strikes me as the sort of thing people who are milquetoast conventional say to make themselves more interesting. It’s regressive because it reinforces gender stereotypes, it certainly doesn’t challenge them

means normal girl/boy but believing stereotypes

Gender is a spectrum not a binary but I am non-binary, just like everyone else must be because gender is a spectrum not a binary, but I'm a special non-binary kind of gender whereas most people are a more binary kind of gender on the gender spectrum that is not a binary.

Everyone has a gender identity. Though some people are agender/gender neutrois/have no gender so they don't have a gender identity but everyone has a gender identity because that's a rule.

#nodebate

You're wasting your time looking for logical consistency in something that's not rooted in logic.

Quite.

But then why use the word 'binary

Stumped

Because a lot of people think that there is a masculine and a feminine gender so none binary means you disagreee with that interpretation?

Its something to do with clownfish.

I think non-binary might be the whole middle bit of the alleged spectrum, i.e. almost everyone on the planet.

Yes to what Towel said - it is an individual opt-out of gender stereotypes and associated hierarchy because obviously that is how it works. These women who suffer at the sharp end of gender hierarchies forgot to opt-out or did not realise it was an option to identify as something else than female. Some of these women even misguidedly campaigned to dismantle these gender hierarchies and liberate women from the crap that comes with them, instead of just opting out. Amazingly short-sighted of them.

Although now I am confused because the likes of Jo Swinson appear both to have campaigned against the pinkification of girls’ toys and for gender ideology which supports such stereotypes.

Whoever said these is no logic is correct. Already going round in circles in my second paragraph. I think it is people saying they do not wish to be defined by their gender presentation, as if any of us do (although of course transpeople may, but even then I am confused).

It just means they don't identify as either male or female.

And yet, male or female they remain.

Like everyone else on the planet.

Nobody identifies entirely with binary gender stereotypes. We're all "non-binary", it's meaningless.

I thought I was special not like other girls in my butch and (brief) goth phases. Then I grew out of the myopia of youth.

I can't quite put my finger on why, but these conversations remind me of the bit in The Incredibles when Helen says with a sigh 'Everyone's special, Dash' to which he replies sulkily 'Which is another way of saying no one is'

Non Binary applies to virtually everyone on the planet. Which makes us all / none of us special. We are still male or female, though