reimplant an ectopic pregnancy” into a woman’s uterus, or face charges of “abortion murder”.

[doadeer]

Just no words

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/29/ohio-extreme-abortion-bill-reimplant-ectopic-pregnancy?CMP=fbgu&utmmmedium=Social&utmsource=Facebook#Echobox=1575018221

Isn't it amazing how many absolute morons ascend into positions of power? No body seems to have check first if it's even possible!

But there’s no placenta to stick it to in her womb, surely? Also, it’s often removed as a grave medical emergency for a woman who may already be haemorrhaging/at imminent risk of death. Urgh.

its all american (north and south) countries, countries with the highest murder rates that go in for this frankly psycho persecution of women.

i wonder if there is a correlation between a lax attitude to killing people and an unhinged 'upholding' of family values.

its a society that has lost control desperatly trying to exert control on the most vulernable.

I see that one (or more? ) of the bills co sponsors is a woman.

With handmaids like these, who needs enemies?

And I don’t give a shit if the word handmaid gets hackles up- that, or more accuratley Aunt Lydia is exactly the word for Candice Kellar.

Who presumably has the mone6 to GTFO of Ohio whenever she needs an OB GYN after she’s scared them all elsewhere.

What is wrong with women who do this?

I mean, I’m not suggesting it’s solely women’s fault. Ah, bollocks, I’ve had a long week and some wine and I can’t articulate myself apart from a fucking primal howl at this bullshit right now.

This has truly upset me today. So dangerous and downright stupid. For so many women ectopic is as much of an emotional disaster as it is physical. I had a suspected which turned out to be another miscarriage rather than ectopic, but I still spent 2 days frantically trying to Google the possibility it could be moved.

It’s not possible? Wtf? HOW can you prosecute someone for being unable to do the impossible?!? Penalty is up to life imprisonment, and they mean it too.
I’m horrified

So at such an early stage of pregnancy the uterus is still a pelvic organ so pretty hard to reach. How are they expecting the foetus to be implanted? A further incision...? So more surgery, risk to the woman? Or shoot it up through the vagina via a pea shooter?

Because both options have the same chance of implantation success....ie none!

women are going to die. Lots of women are going to die because of this hateful, unscientific tripe.

So now it really is starting to look like The nineties and noughties were the absolute peak of freedom and choice for women, and it’s been going backwards since. Multiple fronts of backlash. It makes me rage and despair.

It's going to end up like El Salvador where women who have spontaneous miscarriages can be charged with procuring an abortion.

I literally can’t believe what I just read. Appalling.

"Pro life"

but only for fetuses.

No problem with going around shooting people or putting women who have abortions to death.

SophoclesTheFox Friday evening posting after is my speciality too. Have one on me!
This sort of crap definitely drives me to drink.
And the picture in the article - politicians and their wives and young children - perhaps when their own women die they will realise how idiotic they've been.

Thanks fanny.

All of this effort just desperately trying to trigger an event to get Roe Vs Wad reversed, isn’t it?

Fucking fucks sake, how much more extreme can these woman hating fucknuts get? Just when you think you’ve heard the worst.

We need a primal howl emoji. Keep the batshit at bay.

It is beyond any rational comprehension and shows such utter contempt for women.

Even more mind-bogglingly stupid, though not a fraction as dangerous, is this proposed law:

www.insider.com/pennsylvania-bill-would-require-death-certificates-for-fertilized-eggs-2019-11?fbclid=IwAR1p7GXxRCLgwH2IhANQXRmF7t3x-qlFquFbPeUZB-f3MDKB-X2CKxJuTII

Anti-abortion lawmakers in Pennsylvania want to pass a bill that would require health providers to arrange burials or cremations for all of a person's "fetal remains," which under the lawmakers' terms, includes fertilized eggs that never implanted in the uterus.
But fertilized eggs must divide to become the ball of cells that implants in the uterus for a pregnancy to occur.

The proposed bill also means health providers would have to obtain death certificates for all fertilized, but not implanted, eggs, since in order to to obtain a burial permit, you first have to obtain a death certificate, Christine Castro, a staff attorney at the Pennsylvania-based Women's Law Project, told Vice.

As someone who experienced an ectopic pregnancy over 30 years ago, I was stunned when several people separately asked me,

"Couldn't they move it to the right place?"

Well, no, a fertilised egg is not a sofa or a grand piano! It needs to nestle into the right, nurturing uterine wall environment and the moment it attaches somewhere else things go badly awry with its growth. Likewise, it can't be uprooted and replanted like a a coriander seedling in a carrot patch; the implantation process is a one-off.

Ohio legislators must have been told this and blithely ignored it. What a terrifying prospect. I was lucky to come out alive, and the thought that anyone would deliberately have introduced necrotic tissue into my uterus is appalling.

Lamahaha

So, in order to bury, you need a death certificate.
In order to get a death certificate, don’t you need a birth certificate?

The whole thing is batshit crazy, I genuinely can’t believe how far women’s rights have gone backwards. They’re actually regressing!

What a vile suggestion. compelling (only women to have) pointless, invasive medical interventions is an obvious human rights violation. How can any legal body take this seriously.

I wouldn’t worry too much about this ignorant crap making it onto the statute books. The local gynaecologists will point out it’s an impossible procedure, and they certainly won’t accept the threat of jail for doing their jobs. If the legislators consult even one doctor before voting on the bill, it will get shot down.

That Pennsylvania stuff is just utter rubbish.
What about this situation- I have unprotected sex. Unbeknownst to me, the sperm fertilises an egg. It starts to multiply. But then, still unknown to me, it stops, and I have a 'normal' period.
Would I be breaking the law because I don't bury my tampon and get a death certificate?
Or even if I knew- and had a very early miscarriage. Do I 'collect' everything so it can be buried?

They are totally bonkers.

I have no words for the ectopic thing. One of my family died after having an ectopic pregnancy.

If transplanting an ectopic pregnancy back into the womb was that easy, doctors would have been doing it for years.
And I would have 2 children...

I wouldn’t worry too much about this ignorant crap making it onto the statute books. The local gynaecologists will point out it’s an impossible procedure, and they certainly won’t accept the threat of jail for doing their jobs. If the legislators consult even one doctor before voting on the bill, it will get shot down.

No, I can’t imagine it will make it into legislation, since any law forcing medics to perform an impossible procedure would be wide open to legal challenge.

But the point here is not the possibility of appalling law becoming reality, the point is about shifting the Overton window to the right. If there is actual debate and legislative proposals taking place about something so patently bonkers, then suddenly things which would seem horribly restrictive in any normal context will suddenly seem quite reasonable in comparison.

And that is how they are proposing to overturn Roe v Wade, by shifting the public’s perception of what is reasonable or acceptable.

I don't think we can trust that reasonable, well informed people will always intervene to stop the extremism of current politicians, or that they will be permitted to. Or that the politicians will listen to them, or that it will all turn out ok in the end.

I'd like there to be a system in place to stop extremists getting into politics in the first place.