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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

'The word "woman" does not belong to you.'

122 replies

WomanBornNotWorn · 28/11/2019 20:27

Julie Miller @julie_trans has educated us. Which is nice.

'The word "woman" does not belong to you.'
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FloralBunting · 28/11/2019 22:33

she's trolling us surely.

Who can bloody tell nowadays?

Knewmee · 28/11/2019 22:36

How does Julie distinguish between these nasty ‘imposters’ who Julie describes as just ‘men wearing dresses’ and Julie? Is it some magical spirit essence? How does Julie recognise it?

I do like Julie’s self description: ‘I exhibit a ... finely chiseled [sic] body’. There may be a little work to be done on the traditionally feminine quality of modesty, but hey, self belief!

I think before I go to bed tonight, I’ll spend a bit of time posing in front of the mirror, congratulating myself on how finely chiselled I am. It sounds such fun. I may even strike poses.

Sadly, I think as a young person Julie was really rather handsome, going by those 2002 photos. But Alice in Wonderland really isn’t a good look for anyone over 8. (If you’re going to wear a frilly skirt, it really needs to be balanced by chunky boots, Julie, and no hairband and definitely not white tights, oh god, I could go on and on about the style disaster being played out there. I’ll probably have nightmares about it.)

HandsOffMyRights · 28/11/2019 22:39

Can we add this to the whatabouttery list, next to clownfish and sexing of skeletons?

ScrimshawTheSecond · 28/11/2019 22:41

Hm. This is actually all very sensible:

'Beneath my clothed exterior and thin veneer of femininity I still exhibit a fully intact, finely chiseled, fully functioning male body….no viagra needed! For lifestyle, relationship and health reasons I do not want to undertake any medical processes to change my body, for example hormones or surgical interventions. I am naturally an extremely feminine person and I present myself as femininely as possible all the time….my mental health is important to me and this is how I look after it.

I am male, male, male, no doubt about it'

Fair enough, really.

YellowBup · 28/11/2019 22:45

Yeh that sounded pretty much like it was copied and pasted from an online dating ad, to appeal to heterosexual women.

StrangeLookingParasite · 28/11/2019 22:54

I first started wearing dresses when I was a teenage boy (these photos were taken around 2002), and I did so because it was so natural for a sensitive and sensual soul, like myself, to wear lovely soft and delicate clothes

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Knewmee · 28/11/2019 22:55

Having read through Julie’s pages more carefully, I actually think it is rather sad that this person has been sucked into the TWAW lie. Why on earth not just say: ‘I’m a man, a perfectly ordinary man, and this is how I like to dress’? That really would have widened the bandwidth of what it means to be a man - whereas appropriating the concept of ‘woman’ is oppressive, dishonest, and misogynistic.

I mean, I’ve got no problem with men wearing skirts (I actually think Julie looks great in one of the other outfits shown, the camouflage mini) but I’ve got a real issue with men invading women’s spaces. I’m sure most of us here feel the same way. Skirts fine; lying and invading our spaces, our sports, our communities, very bad.

I mean, I’m sure Julie wouldn’t like it at all if I self identified as a wounded veteran and started invading Help for Heroes support groups and insisting the genuine veterans there affirm my identity. Because that would be insulting to them, refusing to accept the validity of their experience, etc etc.

CoolCarrie · 28/11/2019 22:57

FFS that a ridiculous thing to write, bloody idiot

TowelNumber42 · 28/11/2019 22:58

Julie would have no such luck with clothes in 2019 vs 2002. Every bloody dress in the shops is polyester these days even if it costs £150 in my recent bitter experience.

LangCleg · 28/11/2019 23:01

no viagra needed

This is true but definitely possibly not in the way Julie means it.

MzPumpkinPie · 28/11/2019 23:03

Oh Alice in wonderland? I wish I could unsee that 😂

Waterandlemonjuice · 28/11/2019 23:05

Lol at “school of reality devoid rhetoric”

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 28/11/2019 23:08

See I like the fact Julie is very clear that Julie’s body is Male. And actually think Julie looks quite good in some of the pics with a skirt and a bald head.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 28/11/2019 23:10

This talk of the word woman and who it belongs too has reminded me of Posie and the nice doctor. (and Posie being accused of appropriating the word woman...)

FloralBunting · 28/11/2019 23:22

In what way is Julie entitled to the word woman if Julie is quite clear that Julie is a male person who just enjoys dressing a certain way stereotypically associated with women in our culture?

I'm not entitled to the word Scottish because I own a few items in red tartan and sometimes use Scots dialect.

lionheart · 28/11/2019 23:23

How about (from the web page)?

'Gender ideology is just the fabrication of certain people in society to use as a weapon against trans-people.'

or:

'For every man who transitions to live as a woman, that is one less man to be potentially misogynistic, patriarchal and violent towards women.'

TheClitterati · 28/11/2019 23:29

Julie is deluded GrinGrin

Jaxhog · 28/11/2019 23:43

I'm not entitled to the word Scottish because I own a few items in red tartan and sometimes use Scots dialect.

Grin
WomanBornNotWorn · 29/11/2019 00:03

@julie_trans:

20 followers
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143 replies, all sensible

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Cwenthryth · 29/11/2019 04:25

Julie needs to take a leaf out of Grayson Perry’s book, seems like they have similar taste, but Grayson isn’t so much of a misogynistic arse.

teawamutu · 29/11/2019 08:31

Can't remember the last time I saw a good old TRA pile on. It's been months. Where are they all?

LetThemEatDrama · 29/11/2019 08:41

Well that's nice, as a gender critical woman I'm apparently not part of society and only exist on cyberspace so I obviously don't need to go into work today, result! Hope Julie or anyone she knows doesn't need my services any time (work in housing support) then!! The irony of being told how to be women by men never disappoints.

PurpleHoodie · 29/11/2019 09:05

So. We live in the Matrix? We really do?!

Ohhhhh. Goody.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 29/11/2019 09:12

juliemiller.me.uk/about-me/

Seriously, who cares what this person thinks?

Deciding not to comment on the photo at the top as the monitors are ever vigilant (and everyone else can see the same thing I can anyway), I will instead draw everyone's attention to this section.

and I did so because it was so natural for a sensitive and sensual soul, like myself, to wear lovely soft and delicate clothes;

This person appears to be older than I am, so I'm not sure how they could have missed the glam and glitter rock, New Romantic, goth, emo, or scene movements, where tons of young men were prancing around in flouncy or otherwise ostentatiously non-macho clothing without claiming that doing so indicated anything about their "gender".

PurpleHoodie · 29/11/2019 09:24

Exactly that Prodigal

Even in the 90s dance rave era, men were guylining it up, neon lipstick a go-go, Ellnet hairspray.

Lemon and pink jumpers were THE go to colours for the 80s mens preppy look.

Ruffles, silks and more make up than a Boots counter are still very much what men wear amongst a particular social set of mine (great fun) And yet. They are men. Manly men. Effeminate men. Blokes. Lads. Young and old.

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