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Does MN have a problem with trans people? **MNHQ edited title as OP has apologised for 'accusatory' tone**

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tryandempathise · 27/11/2019 07:54

Seem to be threads constantly on the issue of trans.

Why?

Is it because it conflicts with the idea of sex as a construct?

Is it an age thing?

There must be mums on here with trans kids - do you just stay out of it?

Why the obsession with the idea of being attacked by trans women? Is it not the modern equivalent of homophobic blokes all thinking gay men want to rape them?

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Gangrenethatmightwork · 27/11/2019 16:32

Can I just say to the women, I love your relentless energy in pursuit of shining a light on this situation and willingness to educate others even when they deliberately derail the thread or miss the point.

Ereshkigal · 27/11/2019 16:33

Going along with the polite fiction that a transwoman is literally, actually a woman in a context of working out the best way to keep women safe would be completely inappropriate.

Which is the problem with the approach taken by the government, the other political parties and all policy makers.

Ereshkigal · 27/11/2019 16:34

Talking ThanksWine👏

BertrandRussell · 27/11/2019 16:34

@Eyezswideshut - you do know that over 90% of all violent crime is committed by men, don’t you? Could you just answer yes or no?

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 27/11/2019 16:35

It seems the only reason people think they are dangerous is because they were born male. Nothing other than that. If being male is such a risk factor for rape and violence then as a society, we shouldnt leave any men with children because we cant tell when they will lose control and rape or kill them.

We have safeguarding in place to protect from men who want to cause harm to women, sex segregation is one of these things.
Another is two people in nurseries when intimate care is needed.

Statistically men are more of a risk.

Michelleoftheresistance · 27/11/2019 16:36

Talking brilliant post. Yes, that. Exactly that.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 27/11/2019 16:36

Treating a transwoman as a man isn't taking away rights.

What rights are men missing Lemon?

OldCrone · 27/11/2019 16:36

It seems the only reason people think they are dangerous is because they were born male. Nothing other than that.

You finally seem to have understood. Transwomen were born male. They commit crimes, including violent and sexual crimes at the same rate as other males.

Eyezswideshut · 27/11/2019 16:37

Research has also proven that transwomen have exactly the same patterns of crime as men.

The only relevant statistics would be of violent crime and rape so if you have proof of those, provide them as it would put some facts in the argument.

I know a lot of trans people are poor so things like stealing,prostitution and drug related offences would probably be around the same rates as anyone who is poor. Those statistics will only go to show that they are mistreated by society. Not a danger. I'm saying this because I came across an article earlier which compared rates of all crime in trans women to violent crime in males and one that looked at the number of trans women in prison but didnt mention what they were there for.

LangCleg · 27/11/2019 16:38

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Thread's descended to Monty Python levels, I see. Lemon had already cocked it up, Eyez - no need to come in and help.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 27/11/2019 16:38

Eyezswideshut

We have more transwomen murders in jail right now than people who have been murdered for being trans.

Justhadathought · 27/11/2019 16:39

Seem to be threads constantly on the issue of trans

This is the 'women's rights' board and is, perhaps, the single biggest issue which faces women at this time in history.

Lots of people have joined Mumsnet to discuss, precisely, this issue; one of the few arenas in which such discussion is permitted - because it isn't virtually everywhere else.

As for the rest of your post - there are lots of threads - why don't you go through the board and read some of them.........

DodoPatrol · 27/11/2019 16:39

Eyezwideshut, what on earth is now different about DD's (male) classmate now that he has said he is a girl?

Forget comparing one abstract population with another. What is there about this child now that would make his presence less embarrassing, less invasive, less triggering, in the girls' loos and changing rooms, than a few weeks ago?

A few weeks back, he was attending school as a boy and expected to use the boys' facilities. That wasn't a slur on his character or an accusation of being a rapist but a perfectly normal expectation.

Nothing material has changed since then.

allmywhat · 27/11/2019 16:39

one that looked at the number of trans women in prison but didnt mention what they were there for.

nearly half of all transwomen are in prison for sexual offences, compared to 13% of other male prisoners.

HorseWithNoFucksToGive · 27/11/2019 16:40

My goldfish is transphobic..

The fucking bastard.

Eyezswideshut · 27/11/2019 16:43

Can people actually post links to this research please because the only relevant study I can find was in Sweden 2011 and included suicide as a violent crime. So transwomen who tried to or successfully committed suicide were counted as violent criminals...

popehilarious · 27/11/2019 16:44

Eyez you are showing a (sadly very common) complete misunderstanding of risk and probability. It is tough to extrapolate from abstract concepts like risk to tangible strategies. ( I refrain from mentioning the Monty Hall problem)

Suffice it to say it's not as simple as saying "a class of people, as a class, are higher risk, therefore each individual in that class is a higher risk".

OldCrone · 27/11/2019 16:44

The only relevant statistics would be of violent crime and rape so if you have proof of those, provide them as it would put some facts in the argument.

Lots of statistics here:

medium.com/@evastanford/transwomen-sexual-offenders-a-closer-look-6c507d9e2414

BertrandRussell · 27/11/2019 16:44

Which particular research do you want links to?

Eyezswideshut · 27/11/2019 16:45

This is from an author of one study:

Does MN have a problem with trans people? **MNHQ edited title as OP has apologised for 'accusatory' tone**
CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 27/11/2019 16:45

60 of the 125 transgender prisoners known to be in prison in England and Wales are convicted sex offenders

Of the 60 serving time for sexual offences:

27 were convicted of rape (plus a further five of attempted rape)
13 were convicted of possessing, distributing or making indecent images of children
13 were convicted of sexual assault or attempted sexual assault
Nine were convicted of causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
Seven were convicted of sexual activity with a child
Seven were convicted of indecent assault or gross indecency

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42221629

allmywhat · 27/11/2019 16:45

the only relevant study I can find was in Sweden 2011 and included suicide as a violent crime

the Djehne study? No it didn't.

BertrandRussell · 27/11/2019 16:47

@Eyezswideshut- can we have a link to the document? It’s not much use without.

LangCleg · 27/11/2019 16:47

Between 2007 and 2018:

There were 75% fewer female homicide suspects than victims.

There were 10% more male homicide suspects than victims.

There were 50% more XY trans homicide suspects than victims.

(data gathered by Counting Dead Women)

HorseWithNoFucksToGive · 27/11/2019 16:47

Gender stereotypes are the very thing that feminism fights against.Trans ideology reenforces gender stereotypes and that pits feminism against trans ideology.

A very neat explanation.

I liked all of your post.