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Court case today.

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Yeah, I think that's a very benign view of religion, tbh, and I say that as a Catholic convert.

Besides, what I was really focusing on was going from unprovable metaphysics and presuppositionalism to the solid grounding of understanding the material world and the scientific method, all the way back to Clownfish and inner essences over-riding physical reality and words losing all meaning.

TheProdigal / Floral

Is it that complicated?

Men have fetishes.

Men want to see women and girls naked.

Men wan to abuse others (ideally without risk –women/children 1st choice).

Men are always looking for opportunities and loopholes to achieve their aims - 24/7.

Women have to fight and plead to have safeguarding rules and close up loopholes whenever discovered to stop these men achieving their aims.

Men will stop each other from achieving their aims if it directly benefits them in protecting “their" women AND getting white knight recognition from other men in particular - note - IT HAS TO BE BOTH.

Currently men are supporting each other in exploiting and abusing women under the umbrella and loop holes of trans gender identity ideology because the benefit to himself is greater then the white knight recognition he will get from other men in stopping themselves and other men.

Men do not support trans racial identity ideology because that impacts on other men and so stopping this gets white knight recognition from other men.

Perfect example of the white knight recognition from men being more important then women is FloraJo QC.

It is more important for him, the white knight recognition he gets from other men - tw and woke men in his peer group then the women in his peer group - eg. Joanna Cherry.

It's not complicated at base that men will put their needs, and for some reason their orgasms as a very high priority. Fuck knows why. I mean, I like sex as much as anyone, but I can't imagine ripping apart lives to have an orgasm.

But men being very determined is a driver - it still doesn't explain why, as a society, we've gone from centuries of metaphysical beliefs enabling the control of society and keeping women as chattels, to a brief period of enlightenment, where physical realities and the scientific method held away, and eventually women were able to break through to begin to make society fairer, and now we are willingly free-wheeling back into superstitious woo holding prominence.

I mean, what happened? Did the brief period of materialist sense collectively scare the penis havers because they realized reason will lead to freedom, so society must be dragged back into the ephemeral, where understood words are cannibalized and no one knows which way is up anymore? Why is everyone going along with this morass of gibberish?

I mean, what happened? Did the brief period of materialist sense collectively scare the penis havers because they realized reason will lead to freedom, so society must be dragged back into the ephemeral, where understood words are cannibalized and no one knows which way is up anymore? Why is everyone going along with this morass of gibberish?

Forces behind Trans Gender Identity Ideology

Homophobic Religions – Islam and Most Other Religious Denominations.

Pharmaceutical and Medical Industry.

Organisations with rigid views of sex roles - 4 year old boy with long hair

Men with autogynephilia and other fetishes, paedophiles, men who want to seed naked women and girls, men who also want to physically abuse, rape and kill women and girls.

Even if this is not all men, given that there are nearly 4 Billion men in the world, that is still a lot of “brain and man power” looking 24/7 for opportunities and loopholes against the safeguarding of women.

Just the power of white men was enough to enable Apartheid to survive into the 1990s, now add to that - men of all colours and flavors.

As seen by the response pattern of FloraJO QC, men know they are safe as long they answer to other men - with or without a penis.

Men are united in maintaining patriarchy but sadly women are not united against it.

I'm not disagreeing, not in the least, but this is bugging me. I know it's true, but I'm trying to get my head around the mentality that seems content to jettison the solid, society-wide gains of a material reality understood, scientific knowledge, genuine liberty and progress for a flimsy mirage, simply to maintain the status quo of the patriarchy.

On a personal level, once you escape the pull of cultic superstition, you relish the firm ground beneath your feet so much that the idea of going back to those mindsets just doesn't seem possible. I have loved being free enough to examine ideas I had always just been told were evil and to be shunned - it's been a revelation to me to learn about class analysis, politically, after imbibing so much extreme right wing 'anything to the left of the American Christian Right is of the devil'. I couldn't go back to ignorance.

So yes, I get it on one level, that power seems to hold on, but I am continually boggled by the willingness of people to go along with this.

TL;DR Why are people so incredibly stupid and self-sabotaging?

BarbaraStrozzi - interesting discussion.

I agree with you that religion has historically been used to underpin authoritarian rule.

But equally eg under Communism, religion was blocked precisely because it was understood that it would pose a risk to the Dear Leader if there was an alternate ultimate source of power and judgement.

And as Floral unintentionally points out, it is now that the last vestiges of organised religion have declined that we can have a state where there is in effect a power vacuum in terms of moral authority - which is being rapidly filled by deliberate disinformation.

I'm not arguing that there was nothing problematic about living under religious authority - clearly there was, more or less, depending on the religion and era - but rather that the alternative to religious authority is not enlightened rational society but a differently labelled form of authoritarianism. And not necessarily a better one.

Why are people so incredibly stupid and self-sabotaging?

people ??

For men, patriarchy is not stupid or self-sabotaging -

“Men agreed to be ruled by other men in return for all men ruling over women.”

Yes, but that wasn't my point. My point was how on earth are we still falling into that authoritarian trap, having managed to briefly shake it off?

Mae, yes, people. This isn't sustained simply because all men press for it. Some women press for it too, and there are certainly men who see the loss to society of checking our collective brains out. I guess it's still worth it to them, but still. I'm on a downer today, tbh.

Yes, but that wasn't my point. My point was how on earth are we still falling into that authoritarian trap, having managed to briefly shake it off?

men are not falling into any trap - this part of their quid pro quo contract with other men, so that all men can rule over women.

Some women press for it too

Stockholm Syndrome??

Perhaps.

Just to be clear, the first part you've quoted was a cross post - it was a response to xxyzz's post upthread.

By and large religions are/were organised to control people in general and women in particular.

Plus ca change.

I mean, what happened? Did the brief period of materialist sense collectively scare the penis havers because they realized reason will lead to freedom, so society must be dragged back into the ephemeral, where understood words are cannibalized and no one knows which way is up anymore? Why is everyone going along with this morass of gibberish?

I think it is the unintended consequences that prompted the backlash.
As long as most women went along with the traditional social hierarchy many of the advantages of recognizing women's civil rights accrued to men.
It was not until women began to challenge male dominance in the eighties that the backlash began in earnest. Now, women outnumber men in college admissions. This is viewed as a problem that needs to be solved.
Independence. Women not being dependent on men is the problem that men are trying to solve, with a philosophy of subjectivity in the name of equality, of course.

The judge gets a mention in Rod Liddle's ST column today

No hate. No crime. But you’re nicked

A confusing time for Mr Justice Knowles, presiding at a landmark case in the High Court. It’s about how police record “non-criminal hate speech”.

Frankly, if it’s non-criminal, why are they recording it, you might ask. But that wasn’t what threw the judge. It was the suggestion that a comment reported as hateful by a victim must be recorded “irrespective of whether there is any evidence to identify the hate element”. Knowles scratched his head: “That doesn’t make sense to me. How can it be a hate incident if there is no evidence of the hate element?”

A reasonable question that was not successfully answered. So police are now recording not only hate speech that is not criminal, but also hate speech in which there is no evidence whatsoever of hate.

So police are now recording not only hate speech that is not criminal, but also hate speech in which there is no evidence whatsoever of hate

Time, thanks for posting this. Do you have a link to the article?

Fascinating discussion above about why all this is happening. This article has an interesting take on it.

rdln.wordpress.com/2019/11/13/class-identity-politics-and-transgender-ideology/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Worth remembering that hate crimes reported double in the UK over the past 5 years

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/oct/15/hate-crimes-double-england-wales

with Stonewall claiming that LGBT+ crimes are significantly under reported.

Trouble is after Harry shining a light, what is "reported" hate crime, which are really "hate" and which are really "crimes". Stonewall helped write the guidance, Stonewall wants to see reporting increased. Stonewall is a lobbying organisation.

In a diverse society we cannot tolerate hate. However reporting potentially trivial incidents, eg Harry liking a tweet, will be counterproductive. Less police time for real crimes and real victims, and a failure to focus on unacceptable, often dangerous, racial, religious and sexual harassment.

It may also lead to a belief that you need to handle transgender people with kid gloves. For example, say, being very very careful during an interview process, whist at the same time doing your best to find concrete reasons why you don't offer someone a job. Too many trivial reports from TRAs could mean transgender people generally are perceived as "snowflakes" with people not wanting to expose themselves to someone they fear might be over sensitive.

Like crying wolf too often, a call for help won't be listened to if used too often.

The penis havers noticed that their old methods of forcing women into things were beginning to work a bit less well in some societies, so they came up with a new version with added gaslighting.

A lot of this is difficult for women to understand because we tend not to allow our sexual impulses to completely take over our lives, and we also haven't been socialized to see harming other people to meet them to be a perfectly reasonable thing to do. The moment where you finally get it, that this (not just the trans stuff, "this" in terms of all the societal bullshit men impose on women) really is all about men's access to whatever form of sex they want with whoever they want to do it to, is a bit like the moment the ghost faces start melting in Raiders of the Lost Ark. I think some women gaslight themselves into avoiding that realization because it's too frightening.

What an interesting article, Destinysdaughter. Thanks for posting.

Destinysdaughter
Thanks for posting, I might send it to my Labour Party candidate.

Share token for Rod Liddle's piece

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/its-not-only-jeremy-corbyns-mob-that-welcomes-anti-semites-its-the-whole-bourgeois-left-pq0rlgvbt?shareToken=3867b8f6b0b24891b62e194dfd7b8317

The judge gets a mention in Rod Liddle's ST column today

Not really sure that means much. RL is a pretty loathsome specimen in almost all things. Him and Littlejohn .....

Harry now looking at the NHS and children.

www.facebook.com/100038073817732/posts/152437049368755/

Madness isn't it.