Good luck Harry The Owl

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Court case today.

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Late to this thread (work got in the way). I just want to shout Harry the Owl, you are an absolute .

Can you also explain Lady Hale and spider brooches please?

I'm not sure I'll be able to articulate what I feel very well, but after the Supreme Court's judgement that Johnson's prorogation of Parliament was illegal, there was something of a 'cult of personality' which sprang up about Lady Hale, much of it focused on her choice of jewellery. I think Lady Hale is a fantastic role model for girls and I have the utmost respect for her intellect and the achievements she has carved out for herself within a bastion of maleness, especially at the time she was embarking on her career in law. So it felt disrespectful to reduce her to a caricature, even where it was meant fondly, of this Machiavellian woman in her bling spinning the webs to stop Brexit, as if she was sending a personal message to Remainers - and I identify as one - rather than having simply done her job which was to consider the facts of the case and come to an impartial judgement. It also completely overlooked the contribution of her eight male and two other female colleagues on the Bench in that case.

I hope that makes sense.

Yes that makes sense, OnlyTheTit

The chilling of public discussion on these matters is counterproductive for all concerned, not least for the majority of trans people who have little in common with the more pugnacious activists who claim to speak on their behalf.

This quote from Andrew Doyle hints at the heart of this whole issue.

That governments all over the world and international corporations seem to be backing the spread of transgender ideology should tell us something. This has a lot less to do with living and breathing transgender people and more to do with sticking a crow bar into popular consciousnes.

Once you can force people, through fear, to deny even a basic biological truth, then you can force them to do and agree to anything:

Sex with children is fine if it does not cause the child 'distress'
Death by sex is an acceptable risk of 'healthy' BDSM
Pornography does not harm the psycho-sexual development of human beings.
Sexual expression is the new god and we should all bow down before and be forced to admire public expressions of paraphilias.
Euthanasia is an acceptable remedy for any self-defined experience of suffering and perhaps a social responsiblity for those who are a burden on society
Genetic engineering is an acceptable means to breed an improved humanity.

These are all waiting, ready to be poured into the public domain on the back of transgender ideology and the bully-boy intimidation in a backwater like Humberside is just a shot across our international bows: accept the brave new world or be trampled underfoot.

Excellent post, clitherow. Genderism is just one facet of some truly worrying stuff. I OBJECT.

YY to all that, clitherow

Most of that list of examples has been discussed at length on mumsnet.

The links between transgender ideology (as distinct from transexualism) and queer theory/transhumanism/neoliberalism/men's rights movements needs to be more widely publicised.

The authorities are clear that a person cannot in law consent to being subjected to actual bodily harm or grievous bodily harm for the purposes of sexual pleasure,

But they can for sport, so the next step will simply be a wrestling match that "went wrong".

I OBJECT.

Me too, it seems I'm not safe even in a backwater!

Great post clitherow.

Today's D Telegraph article on Harry.

"Why are the police at war with free speech? " Douglas Murray

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/21/police-war-free-speech/

First paragraph

"Perhaps it would simplify things if the 999 dialling service was amended. From now on it might say: “Press ‘1’ for ambulance, 2 for police, 3 for fire-service and 4 for thought-police.” Although given current priorities, perhaps the thought-police option should be offered first."

Extract
"Yet even this is not the deepest problem. The deepest problem with the police stepping into these areas is that for a society to make healthy decisions it must have healthy discussions: to do so freely and without fear. In the area of trans we are currently (as with other “phobias”) being bullied away from having such a discussion. By claiming they are “offended”, a small number of activists are trying to force everyone else into agreeing with extraordinarily radical demands. This includes a demand that irreversible medical interventions should be carried out on children.
Well those demands should not be agreed to. And those who are questioning some of the emerging trans orthodoxy will be seen in the future as having provided – at the very least – a useful corrective. They should be free to do so without fearing not just some extremists on their backs but the police at their door."

I can hear the gnashing of teeth from Fatman and Bobbin.

Unknown to many, the Grateful Dead operated a very low-key charity to help young kids with musical ambitions. It was called "The Rex Foundation".

Many years ago (must have been) there was a BBC documentary about it (probably BBC2 late night fare) and they interviewed the perma-cheerful Jerry Garcia who twinkly-eyed noted that:

If you have to come to the Grateful Dead for help, boy have you slipped through the cracks in the sidewalk

Reading the Daily Telegraphs defence of free speech evokes a similar reaction in me ... if The Daily Telegraph is cogently fighting your corner, WTF is going on ?

yes Clitherow , there seem to be people telling us that some truly terrifying stuff is just progress, and is in fact A GOOD THING

I'm just not going to pretend to believe things that aren't true, and I don't see why Maya should get fired for that, or Harry should get a knock on the door from the police for that, or indeed (on a more mundane level) why women should lose their posting rights here for that

Sorry, wrong thread

I can hear the gnashing of teeth from Fatman and Bobbin.
Sorry, wrong thread

Can't see any MN thread where that would be out of place, personally

Can't see any MN thread where that would be out of place, personally

I just assumed that was the nicknames of some of Twitter's more vocal denizens!

I think all slurs start off factual don't they? I'm thinking about an n-word and a p-word, both racial slurs. Both began life as factual descriptions of facets of people's 'difference'. Then they were used in more and more derogatory ways and here we are finding those words repellent and abhoring their use.

Just like the t-word.

In the area of trans we are currently (as with other “phobias”) being bullied away from having such a discussion. By claiming they are “offended”, a small number of activists are trying to force everyone else into agreeing with extraordinarily radical demands

Douglas Murray is eloquent on this. How this niche lobby group have managed to achieve such extensive regulatory capture if they are as marginalized and oppressed as they claim is an enigma. This is a battle between freedom and those who wish to dominate the narrative and criminalize any dissent. The Guardian et al? They are on the wrong side.

yes, I expect people who used to throw around the acronym derived from 'westernised oriental gentleman' thought that was factual and inoffensive too

disingenuous twerps

ProfSlocombe
". if The Daily Telegraph is cogently fighting your corner, WTF is going on ?"

Feeling this way myself. It's very disconcerting.

Me too, it seems I'm not safe even in a backwater!

Solidarity from a fellow backwater dweller! Queer theory has not arrived here yet but it's only a matter of time.

Sorry, I don't know what you all mean. I was not at the american Embassy, I was at my place of work 200 miles away.

Great post clitherow and absolutely on the money.