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Court case today.

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Defence - Now saying that similar opinions in the media (tv, newspaper) could also be recorded. We are getting to the heart of this now. And it is patently ridiculous.

Can someone post the citation when the law report comes out. I’d like to read the full judgement.

Gutted I've had to be out most of today. Just going to catch up now.

Every opinion piece in a newspaper? Every time someone talks about this on Piers Morgan's show?

Haha Ricky Gervais better watch out!

Datum yes. If this and Maya's case hold up freedom on speech, I will be able to speak again.

This is nail biting stuff! How am I meant to work? 😱

Nonny it's impossible!

If this goes the way of the police, presumably every time I'm offended by something said on here about autism. I should be sending it to the police as a hate incident?

I’ve also been very unproductive today. It’s been great to follow along.

I should be sending it to the police as a hate incident?

you should.

If every black, Disabled or gay person reported everything that was discrimination or they disagreed with they'd soon stop recording them.

Why aren't women allowed to complain about hate crimes/incidents? Why is sex not included as a protected characteristic?

Agree. And if this doesn't result in a common sense decision, this is how we counteract it. Report, report, report.

'You can't have a hate incident without evidence of hate'. THIS

Judge asks: I phone the police and say I'm the victim of hate
incident, they say what? Well I just am, I feel it.

There has to be some hate element, surely, says judge.

Counsel is stumped.

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Certainly seems that way! This is brilliant.

I'm also totally failing to do any work today. Wasn't that productive yesterday either.

'You can't have a hate incident without evidence of hate'. THIS

They're called hate incidents but they're really 'offence incidents'

Grandma why not indeed? Is it because the police force would shut down under deluge? Or is it because women aren't important? Or both? A conundrum to be sure.

If every black, Disabled or gay person reported everything that was discrimination or they disagreed with they'd soon stop recording them.

Or thought was discrimination or disagreement ... making "it's coz I is " a reality, finally.

Maybe that was the intention all along ?

I'm in a grumpy mood right now, and it seems to me that in the past 30 years, every attempt to work towards a more inclusive world has been undermined to create a more exclusive one. The conclusion will be there will be 6,999,999,999 different ways to offend "someone".

'We have to monitor level of hatred and keep track of it'

'you can't have a hate incident without evidence of hate'

At some point, surely, a working definition of 'hate' is going to have to be established? It's mindblowing that this has got into law without being clearly enough established that a lawyer and a judge are trying to have this conversation with no shared meaning .

Another symptom of genderology: words adapted until there is no shared meaning and no point where a group of people can actually understand each other. Which was the whole frigging point of the human race evolving to use language in the first place.

Michelle even worse, hate incidents reporting is not law. Or have I misunderstood.

At some point, surely, a working definition of 'hate' is going to have to be established?

And ?

I hate - and I mean hate - cauliflower. I also hate fascists. And rapists. And poverty. And inequality.

Lesbianism is a Protected Characteristic based on same Sex (female female) attraction.

Perhaps Lesbians in the future could start contacting police forces to have it recorded as a Hate Incident around the country when anyone, anywhere and by whatever means, says otherwise.