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Maya Forstater court case

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Bardonnay · 14/11/2019 06:14

Sorry to link to the DM but they've covered Maya Forstater's upcoming court case here:
https://mol.im/a/7683207.

Maya's account of events is here and her post links to updates about the case: https://medium.com/@MForstater/i-lost-my-job-for-speaking-up-about-womens-rights-2af2186ae84

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Waterl00 · 19/11/2019 11:19

Russell - “ claimant’s beliefs in biological sex do not achieve cogency”

Well biological sex achieves babies so that's some fucking cogency! Oh dear me, I cant fathom how dopey they are happy to make themselves look.

Waterl00 · 19/11/2019 11:22

“Claims it has gone on to construct an internally logical argument”

Resp. Explains they will go on to prove how this logic is “fallacious”

I cant wait to read this.

Waterl00 · 19/11/2019 11:24

“Couldn’t name any philosopher” 😂

GrinitchSpinach · 19/11/2019 11:24

“Akin to conspiracy theories”!!!!

Datun · 19/11/2019 11:26

Russell - “ claimant’s beliefs in biological sex do not achieve cogency”

Well I'd give my mortgage to hear how gender achieves cogency !

Given it can simultaneously mean an innate essence that is indescribable and changes depending upon who has it, a set of rules and behaviours, something that you can have one day but not the next, something they're not everyone has and some people have it and then they don't have it, some people have more than one, and some people have one after the other.

But none of them can be objectively identified.

Waterl00 · 19/11/2019 11:26

What's that thing with a head coming out of my nethers?

I don't know, where is Socrates when you need him?

mateysmum · 19/11/2019 11:34

Doesn't seem to be any live tweeting at either of those twitter handles.
Can somebody point me in the right direction as I'm rubbish at Twitter.

drspouse · 19/11/2019 11:36

There is at https://twitter.com/kingsoff_lydia/status/1196748538362912770?s=21

CaveMum · 19/11/2019 11:37

“Complete failure to recognise Section 7 of the GRA”

This folks is Section 7: www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/7

I think someone got their references wrong 🤔🙄😂

OvaHere · 19/11/2019 11:37

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Now talking about how transwomen are are women “for all purposes” and that there is “no need to insert the word legal”
#MayaForstaterCase2019

mateysmum · 19/11/2019 11:37

Thanks Waterl00 got it.

Popcorn at the ready.

mateysmum · 19/11/2019 11:39

“Claimant’s beliefs are irrational, narrow and young. And they lack proper philosophical foundation.”

Yep, belief in biological sex is ooooh about as old as the human race.

MrsSnippyPants · 19/11/2019 11:40

A few people are tweeting/commenting, search for the hashtag #MayaForstaterCase2019 and click on 'latest'

Birdsfoottrefoil · 19/11/2019 11:41

I think someone got their references wrong

That is a second time they have suggested something in the GRA that isn’t there. They surely don’t expect the TRA practice of misquoting the law to work in court?!?!

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 19/11/2019 11:42

I assume 'cogency' in this sense is a legal requirement for your belief to be protected. So, for example, Christianity or Scientology would meet the proof.

But not this thing that 99.9% of everyone in the world believes.

Ok then Hmm

OvaHere · 19/11/2019 11:42

More live tweeting here

twitter.com/legalfeminist/status/1196747298740588544

CaveMum · 19/11/2019 11:43

@legalfeminist also tweeting

CaveMum · 19/11/2019 11:43

X-post Ova 😜

popehilarious · 19/11/2019 11:45

“Complete failure to recognise Section 7 of the GRA”

Maya's disputing the fee or the method of submitting an application for a GRC now? Didn't hear any of that in her statement.

Waterl00 · 19/11/2019 11:45

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Counsel for Respondent says almost all of MF's beliefs stray into Art 9(2) territory - not protected because they are offensive in a democratic society, and should be suppressed for protection and freedom of trans women.

OvaHere · 19/11/2019 11:45

The legal feminist tweets are very through and quite terrifying.

Waterl00 · 19/11/2019 11:46

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Counsel for R asks J to have regard to "very dangerous" views and that they are not worthy of respect in a democratic society. It is humiliating & demeaning to say trans women should be excluded from single sex spaces.

OvaHere · 19/11/2019 11:47

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In x-x MF insisted that Pips Bunce is male, even though in fact he is gender-fluid. [pronoun counsel's own, if I heard that correctly]
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In x-x she also said she would not accept a panel made up of men and trans women was a mixed panel, and that demonstrates the absurdity of her beliefs. They are not worthy of respect in a democratic society bc that panel would be legally mixed.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 19/11/2019 11:47

should be suppressed for protection and freedom of trans women

Which is obviously the next logical step.
Then it's working out which punishments will work for those that break the law, the obvious answer is reeducation camps.