Maya Forstater court case

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Sorry to link to the DM but they've covered Maya Forstater's upcoming court case here:
https://mol.im/a/7683207.

Maya's account of events is here and her post links to updates about the case: https://medium.com/@MForstater/i-lost-my-job-for-speaking-up-about-womens-rights-2af2186ae84

If the judge thinks prostate issues can be a women's health issue then I think we've had it.

I used to drink in bars around the courts. I can only imagine what they’d be like tonight.

I’ve just heard about the bit about Clair defending ‘short cis people’ from having their bodies measured... or something...

This sounds like good stuff, got a link?

(I tried searching "short cis people" and all I found was a Tweet with several rows of artistically arranged emojis that said "all cis people owe me money.")

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/18/transgender-people-agree-using-terms-men-women-afraid-speak/amp/

No other mainstream news articles yet.

Of course the Telegraph does not mention the absurd things that the CGD rep said, including that Dolezal is black.

Though overall I suppose it isn't bad. Good to give Kristina Harrison's views wider publicity

Looks like the Telegraph reporter went home at lunchtime (or filed then).

Decent article but rather dull considering what they could have reported.

Perhaps the DM will report on street violence wings, defining ones own reality and none understanding of compassion towards women.

Every time I've checked into this tribunal today I've just been

Surely a lot hangs on Maya's employment status/rights.

It does for the outcome of Maya's case but in terms of case law, my understanding is that these are separate decisions. If the judge decides gender critical beliefs / lack of belief in gender ideology are entitled to protection under the equality act then this still stands, even if Maya is unsuccessful because of her employment status.

Maya and Anya

Loved this on Twitter today:

Correct me if I’m missing something, but surely non-binary just means you don’t adhere to gender norms? So I’m effectively non-binary as I don’t “feel” particularly masculine or feminine and reject the concept of gender and its associated stereotypes.

I asked this at trans training at work and was told that because I have long hair I am gender conforming and therefore it’s completely different and I don’t understand the struggles of the true non-binary folk so I should probably just listen.

Am I a 3 then? Maybe a 2.

Last para of the Telegraph article.

Mr Easley, who had travelled over to the UK from the US to give evidence in the case, said: “The organisation’s position is that we make no distinction between sex and gender. If someone is in our space and they say that are a woman then they can have access to the single sex spaces. To deny them access means we would be infringing on their rights.”

According to him, if a man says he's a woman it would be an infringement of his rights not to give him access to women's single sex spaces. Does he not see the contradiction here that by doing this he is removing women's right to single sex spaces?

Is he really that stupid or just exceptionally misogynistic?

I asked this at trans training at work and was told that because I have long hair I am gender conforming and therefore it’s completely different and I don’t understand the struggles of the true non-binary folk so I should probably just listen.

Are you by any chance a woman past the first flush of youth and without hair dyed in a rainbow shade?

I asked this at trans training at work and was told that because I have long hair I am gender conforming

So are all long haired men trans now? And short haired women? Were there any such people at the training session? If so, were they surprised to find out they were trans?

I asked this at trans training at work and was told that because I have long hair I am gender conforming and therefore it’s completely different and I don’t understand the struggles of the true non-binary folk so I should probably just listen.

So how does that fit in with a non-binary biological male who has a beard then?

how does that fit in with a non-binary biological male who has a beard then?

Depends what colour his nail varnish is.

Is he fabulous?

I am assuming that Lurker, great though she may be, is not fabulous.

I asked this at trans training at work and was told that because I have long hair I am gender conforming

Walk into any computer club, goth pub or metal concert and you can't move for male pony tails.

I don't know where you found the patience to sit through that.

Does he not see the contradiction here that by doing this he is removing women's right to single sex spaces?

Because that never happens.

And if it does happen and you mention it you’re a bigot.

And if it does happen cis women are just as bad anyway

I was still not peaked at the time so I admit I sat back puzzled and tried to make sense of it. Eventually led me here though...

Oooh - according to the Object! thread photos of women handing out FPFW leaflets were shown in court...

I would like to play myself in the musical... or maybe Scarlett Johansson could do it?

The TRAs rejected her, so she should have room in her schedule...

As I was reading through Pygmy's posts, which I know weren't verbatim, I began to "hear" C's comments as if voiced by Yaniv, or maybe Riley. They do all seem to sound the same, as if they're all variations on the me-theme rather than individuals.

Will this continue tomorrow? Please tell me it’s continuing tomorrow, it’s cheered up my day no end.