Lib Dems actively deterring GC women

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Today I emailed the Lib Dems expressing an interest in joining their party.

I stated no one should receive discrimination or abuse for their transgender status but explained that I am GC and I asked if there was room for GC women in the party.

I received the following response:
Thank you for getting in touch. Whilst we appreciate your interest in joining, you should be aware that the Liberal Democrats are a trans inclusive party, and we have made it clear that we fully behind trans communities. As liberals we champion everyone’s right to live the life they want. By the sounds of your email it appears that your values are not aligned with ours so we are probably not the right the party for you.

I am flabbergasted. I didn't expect that I would have to believe that humans can change biological sex in order to be a member of the Lib Dems.

I am so disappointed. I was going to vote for them in the GE (passionate Remainer) but I cannot if this is their response.

There is no one to vote for. I am lost.

In all seriousness though it'll be left off the manifesto as they know the public won't agree

i'm not so sure about that...and certainly not if Dawn Butler becomes Deputy Leader as has ben suggested.

I came across a bunch of Labour activists in town yesterday - campaigning, predictably, to " Save our NHS".......mainly of the older style, middle aged/elderly, male socialist type....To them this is not even a conscious issue. It is not something which concerns them or that they think about...but if you ask them, which i did, what their take was - they clam up. not even the most hard-bitten leftie wants to be open and discuss the issue - even when they are most vocal about every other subject under the sun.

When you scratch the surface most are in agreement with the GC position, but the party line is 'Equality' for all and they seem afraid to speak out on the issue. which we know.

there is a split between the grassroots Labour movement and its ruling body ( around Jeremy Corbyn) on many issues - but the membership prefers to ignore or pretend that it doesn't exist.

That so many younger Momentum members favour Self ID etc is a bind for Labour on this issue - because the young are carrying the movement along, and they need to be courted.

*Why not vote UKIP OP? They have openly expressed their prejudice against trans people8

it is not women shouting " death to Transwomen" or " punch a Transwoman" now is it? The hate and 'phobia' is all one way.

We want to vote for a party which respects wome; knows what a woman is; and understands that being female is at the root cause of women's oppression; and that has policies to protect and safe guard women and their interests. nothing to do with hatred or phobia.

We'll leave that to you.

I'm so tired of transphobia. Well done to the Lib Dems

And we're sick of misogyny in the guise of liberation for other groups. And we're tired of people acting as if women's spaces, services, sports, and very being is unimportant - compared to relative trivialities like Brexit.

I probably feel most immediately personally threatened by Labour anti-Semitism and a hard Brexit

The 'anti-semitism' is rooted in Labour's obsession with Palestine; & supporting the under-dog - against the capitalist, imperialist machine.....
It can be totally one-eyed.......and oblivious to its own shadow.

I'm not Jewish, but do live in a constituency in which a prominent Jewish MP has recently stood down...and I do have sympathy and feel it to be an issue which is not being faced head on. As with all political groupings a pack mentality takes over.......and even good people excuse bad things......

I'm so tired of transphobia. Well done to the Lib Dems

I work with DV victims, one who was to scared to go into a refuge due to male bodied people now being accepted, as members of the Lib Dems believe TWAW.

Your comment is divisive, shutting down the voices of women who have genuine concerns that their rights are being continually eroded. The introduction of Self ID would have a serious impact on all women and girls. Democracy should be enabling everyone to have a voice, INCLUDING TRANS finding a way to resolve the issue. Though this will be particularly challenging given the beliefs of TRA's that TWAW, they are TW. Those who have fully transitioned should of course have access to female spaces. The legal process to transition which I've heard from Trans people themselves should take on their concerns with the process. However, their rights DO NOT take precedence over the rights of others. Hope that's clear?

"If you do it's 100% certain self ID will be written into law and you and your children's rights will never be the same again."

That's not true. We haven't even seen the Labour party manifesto yet: it hasn't been published. You can't say with any certainty at all what is in it, let alone draw the conclusion you have.

How strange that Labour haven't got their shit together and sorted out a manifesto yet.
They are supposed to be the Socialist option, the main opposition party; but they support austerity and Universal Credit and self ID.

Actions speak louder than words. Women have lost spaces on the Jo Cox program and on all women shortlists.

I know some people would rather feast on the raw flesh of their first-born child than vote Conservative, but for those for whom sinking gender self-ID is a priority, please consider holding your nose and voting Conservative. The Conservatives are not enthusiastic about this policy, in fact I think many think it’s absurd, once its ramifications are pointed out. Teresa May thought it would be a good way to appeal to liberals, not realising that women would be majorly affected and unhappy about it.

I think they are starting to understand what the general public feel about self-ID and have put it on the back burner for now. I think this will be their policy going forwards, citing Brexit and other parliamentary business neglected while the focus has been on Brexit. This gives us more time to educate the general public and make politicians and policy-makers see what the public really thinks, giving them the confidence to privately or publicly oppose self-ID.

Obviously, some people have other priorities, and I’m not even sure what is best to do to deal with the Brexit situation, which is another major issue, but if self-ID is your number one issue I think the Conservatives deserve serious consideration.

but if self-ID is your number one issue I think the Conservatives deserve serious consideration

I hear you - but could not ever do that...and certainly not for this bunch. Maria Miller is still in the Conservative party isn't she?

If you do it's 100% certain self ID will be written into law and you and your children's rights will never be the same again

That IS scare-mongering. its not in lab manifesto and even if it were, it has to be scrutinised and passed in parliament, its not a simple process at all.

That IS scare-mongering. its not in lab manifesto

This would be the manifesto nobody has seen yet?

That IS scare-mongering. its not in lab manifesto and even if it were, it has to be scrutinised and passed in parliament, its not a simple process at all

womansplaceuk.org/2019/09/25/dear-labour-party/

Unfortunately, the level of silencing and fear about speaking out on this issue in the Labour party is still a major issue - but without activists speaking out in unison, Self ID will slip in under the radar

"This is how it happens: a woman stands up to speak to a motion against sex self-ID, or against ‘affirmation only’ in schools, or against accepting ‘gender identity’ as though it were a fact. She begins to explain how the language around this issue has been pulled around until even attempting to define ‘woman’ becomes contentious, and a Three-Way Split develops.

Those who have studied the issue divide into supporters and opposers, but most of the room sit in doubt, wondering how to be good socialists in the middle of a linguistic and emotional minefield. The motion goes to the vote and many abstain in confusion.

The balance between the few on each side decides the outcome, but it’s likely that doubters will defer to anyone who’s had LGBT or Stonewall training, for fear of looking prejudiced.

That does not mean the majority of Labour members support gender-identity theory or sex-self-ID. It means the majority are confused by these conflicting ideas that were shunted into our policy in 2017 in the rush to publish our manifesto for the snap General Election."

it cant just slip under the radar, it would have to be proposed, consulted on, bills submitted and then passed by a majority.

so no its ridiculous to say its 100% certain self id will be written in the law.

the next govt is in a national emergancy situation- we have to decide how (or even if) we brexit - this absolutely will be their priority not divisive legislation that wont pass.

so no its ridiculous to say its 100% certain self id will be written in the law.
Is it less ridiculous than saying I'm from the future?

it cant just slip under the radar

It has though hasn't it.

Most places have already changed Sex for Gender in their official documents, Labour will just see the GRA changes as a bit of admin, throwing out anything in the consultation they don't like.

Why are you surprised that the Liberal Democrats (the clue is in the name) wouldn't want to recruit openly prejudiced people to their ranks? Of course they don't! Surely you'll find more of your tribe in the Brexit Party or the Tories. 🤷🏽‍♀️

In the current climate it is clear that few politicians are willing to take any position that conflicts with Stonewall’s position, especially politicians on the left. Self-ID absolutely could get in, even if the majority of the party are (quietly, very quietly) opposed to it.

I won’t vote for any party that supports self-Id.

Does anyone know what the Brexit Party’s stance on this is?

Does anyone know what the Brexit Party’s stance on this is

Their only purpose is a no deal Brexit, I'm not sure they have anything else.

it cant just slip under the radar, it would have to be proposed, consulted on, bills submitted and then passed by a majority

But it is...and nobody dare speak up about it, and those that do are de-deselected, castigated and called 'transphobes' Those who are not so brave sit on their hands and say nothing.

I won’t vote for any party that supports self-Id. Does anyone know what the Brexit Party’s stance on this is?

Better to spoil your paper than willingly vote for a party just because you may agree with them on one issue - whilst being totally against everything else they stand for.

Why are you surprised that the Liberal Democrats (the clue is in the name) wouldn't want to recruit openly prejudiced people to their ranks?

you are clearly being provocative...but the liberals fail women because their whole emphasis is on liberal ideals....and they seem to find conflicts of interest very difficult to negotiate; hence they ignore them.
The Liberals are wishy washy, in my view, and have no fire in their belly. They will waver and equivocate on any number of issues.

Any response from other parties? I would be interested to know their position (although it’s pretty evident that labour is pro gender theory but it would be interesting to see how they deal with dissenting views). I have no idea what the Tory position is - does anyone know?

Why are you surprised that the Liberal Democrats (the clue is in the name) wouldn't want to recruit openly prejudiced people to their ranks?

Someone who doesn't share your religion, and who opposes it being written into law and imposed on others, is not (necessarily) prejudiced against you.

Even though I think trans people should be fully protected by law against discrimination, I'm a scientist and an atheist and can no more pretend that mammals can change sex, than i could kneel in a church and take communion.