Oh look, it's those guidelines making no sense whatsoever again!

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So, I got an email about a comment in which I said that I wanted to know why genderists keep comparing trans identified males to black women and lesbians being deleted. I think this is absolutely barmy, and have said so to HQ. I'm also baffled as to how this breaks any guidelines and thought perhaps it was time for us as a group to revisit the guidelines and explain once more to MNHQ why they're not working.

What's actually happening here is the the obsessive trans activists who monitor this site are attempting to pick off posters one by one. We lost Orchid last week, and she was just the most recent of many. I'm not sure in MNHQ realize that's happening and welcome it or if it's somehow escaped their notice, but it's a pretty messed up thing for them to be allowing to happen to their users, in my opinion. Are they going to allow this to continue until the only commenters left in this forum are the TRAs who want the entire site shut down?

I know the people who despise the women here would very much like this to all happen under the radar, and that's exactly why I'm not allowing it to play out that way.

Rufus that's insane, I had no idea it had actually happened. MNHQ should be ashamed of themselves, frankly

Lang

I had two deletions previously (in succession) that MN did not email me about. Therefore, if it's three strikes and you're out, I'd have no way of knowing.

That's an easy way to get rid of us. No warning, no opportunity to argue our case, just booted off with the same "Go well" that was reserved for Hayden, when Hayden obtained a court order against this site to obtain the personal details of a female poster on FWR.

It was here on FWR

Oh it was on here...i knew I’d seen it

(I might have guessed that it was definitely here, as bless and yawn have also been deleted)

So, expressing sympathy to what one assumes to be a distressed mother - not allowed, delete and ban.

Expressing lack of interest or boredom in what a TRA is saying - delete, possibly a strike, who knows since emails aren't always sent anyway.

Does this seem reasonable to anyone?

isadora

It was a bit strange...mumsnet emoji which means ‘no comment’ cannot be used as no comment on one board

And has anybody been told this ? Nope

Wonder if using would be deleted depending how you use it

I bet ‘go well’ would be banned If i used it

There is stuff done all over the site which is frowned on in FWR

I just like a bit of fairness...its crap ‘parenting’ for a parenting site

Reinstate the banned posters, starting with Orchid.

Banning someone for using the biscuit is like that Twitter barrister guy going on about ‘provocative misgendering’ aka using correctly sexed pronouns. Provocative biscuiting perhaps.

If they ban me as a result of insubordination but let Orchid come back then I'll consider that a partial win. It's a relay, pass the baton on to your replacement on the way out...there are more of us than there are of them.

Of course MN is not a premoderated site. Only posts that are reported get moderated

But while our self appointed monitors really should consider getting a life and spending their time doing something a little less freaking peculiar, it’s entirely up to MNHQ how they respond to the obsessive reporting

See, I see the obsessive reporting as vexatious behaviour by draining individuals

When dealing with individuals like that it’s generally easier to comply with them and take your frustration out on others who are more compliant and less draining to deal with

Easier but not fair of course

I have asked if they've considered just not responding to obviously vexatious reports. I'd tell the people in question to piss off, personally, but as we all know I failed Ladylike Behavior 101.

I missed all this. I can't believe Orchid was banned for that. It seems to be wilfully misunderstanding what she said.

And then the poster turned out to be a troll? That's basically a set up.

If what the poster claimed in their second thread was true, I think it was unkind of MNHQ to leave it up. I don't think a teenager has the emotional intelligence to handle a lot of responses disagreeing with their point of view without seeing it as a personal attack and getting upset.

Maybe a handwritten card bearing the message ‘Oh do fuck off dear’ would pass the ladylike test? Or crocheted into a fetching beret?

Of course that would assume MNHQ as an organisation (as opposed to individuals) empathise with long term site content generators. I don’t think that they do particularly

Don’t forget that we’re the product, not the customers. If your product becomes troublesome, maybe you need a different product, right?

Rufus So all the things that we can say on any other board of MN are forbidden on this one! That makes no sense whatsoever. WHY are they allowing themselves to be bullied like this, it's ridiculous!

I don't think a teenager has the emotional intelligence to handle a lot of responses disagreeing with their point of view without seeing it as a personal attack and getting upset.

It's a perfect example of how kneejerk deference to anything a person who says they're trans demands is not always the wise or kind action to take. Children need guidance and boundaries. They are not tiny sages who will show us the way forward, they are small humans whose brains have not yet finished developing, and during adolescence they're confused as hell even before you add medication and artificial hormones and grooming via social media to the mix.

If anyone thinks allowing a teenager to run amok on a site full of adults picking fights with people and receiving the inevitable hostile responses then I wouldn't trust that person to parents a goldfish, never mind a child.

If they think that's wise or kind, is what I meant to say. It's not. The thread should have been pulled as soon as it became clear that the OP was a child.

I failed Ladylike Behavior 101
Me too, I was never socialized to "be kind" to fools spouting utter crap!

Yes, what happened at the weekend wasn’t kind to anybody, least of all the troubled individual who was allowed to troll the people using this site in good faith with impunity

Maybe a handwritten card bearing the message ‘Oh do fuck off dear’ would pass the ladylike test? Or crocheted into a fetching beret?

Sadly, no.

A while back, I was given a strike - a real one, with an email and everything - for a post that simply said ODFOD. You know, that ubiquitous MN put down since time immemorial. Apparently, this is now disallowed when it's a) FWR and b) the "dear" concerned a member of the sacred caste of Woke. Presumably one can still say it to the boring, lesser, cunty women who actually populate the site.

ControversialFerret Your post at 20.20 exactly!

What's being demanded there is not courtesy or civility, it's deference. If MNHQ are going to keep demanding that their users show deference to trans people and non trans TRAs then they should have the courage of their convictions and say so openly.

There is stuff done all over the site which is frowned on in FWR

Yes. Absolutely. But of course only frowned on here since relatively recently. Since (mainly biologically male) trans activists discovered that women on here were actually waking up to what has been going on and started trying to stop us from talking to each other.

I realise you have a difficult path to tread, in the current climate MNHQ. I think you, along with so many state institutions, politicians, schools, multinational companies, media organisations, hospital trusts etc etc etc, have been groomed and gaslit into thinking this is genuinely a civil rights movement on behalf of a vulnerable group of people.

It is hard to swim against the tide when there are so many voices from so many quarters telling you that this is what right-thinking people go along with. Even people like Obama and his AG Loretta Lynch were manipulated into subscribing to it and enabling it; plenty of other otherwise inspirational people, including so many women who genuinely fight for other women in other areas - Stella Creasey for example - have signed up to it and present it as a moral crusade, in defiance of all reason and logical analysis.

But I do think and hope that the day will come when people look back on these times and ask what on earth everybody was thinking. When it will have become clear to the majority of people that far from being a civil rights movement, this is actually just a new form of that old chestnut, male oppression of female people.

A minority group yes - but a minority of those who already have more power imposing their will on and controlling the group that has less power. Minority groups are not always the marginalised, disenfranchised ones - just look at the white minority in Apartheid era South Africa.

There is nothing brave or stunning about punching down, as TRAs do.

I wish you could see this now. But I live in hope that you one day will.

I had two deletions previously (in succession) that MN did not email me about. Therefore, if it's three strikes and you're out, I'd have no way of knowing.

Precisely. I mean, I have no idea if the deletion on this thread is the only one I've had recently or if there have been dozens more. And I'm not going to start scanning every thread I've posted on to check.

Frankly however, I've given up caring. If the Special Sacred Caste Rules were applied consistently and fairly - or were even in any way clear, FFS - I'd try my best to stick to them. I really would.

But they aren't. I've no idea what is acceptable and what is not - since apparently we are supposed to be allowed to put a pro-woman viewpoint but at the same time every single way of expressing such a viewpoint is subject to random deletion accompanied sometimes, but not always, by passive aggressive guff about civility and "the spirit". So I just say what I want to say and let the cards fall where they may.

Part of the unfairness is allowing other people to report, who are either not even members, or do not participate in the actual discussion.

We know there are countless TRAs who don't appear to work, who can just sit there constantly reporting, under different names and IP addresses. It's just part of their 'activism'.

And I know it's got to be hard for the moderators, but they have allowed themselves to be used and made it even harder.

Having to jump, read comments, make a decision, respond to emails, etc, every time a TRA just idly presses a button, is self-inflicted.

Anyone who has a parented children absolutely knows that you create boundaries, make rules, and stick to them, religiously. Especially as the opposition ratchets up.

As soon as monitors get wind that they can have people deleted or banned for yawning, blessing, biscuits, and anything that they pretend is ambiguous, they will go into a reporting frenzy.

It's so easily avoided. All of it.

Datun I reported one such 'activist' to Mumsnet. He bragged on Twitter that he'd be banned and made a joke about IP addresses.

He then posted derogatory comments on FWR. When I pointed this banned user out to MN they said they'd look into it. They didn't get back to me and his posts remain.

been banned