Everything should be gender neutral

[NarcoNympho]

I don’t know how this’ll go down but I think all facilities should be gender neutral. I don’t see the point of segregating it. What’s in someone’s pants is their business and possibly their GPs too. If all facilities weren’t communal, people could still have their private spaces. My favourite bar has gender neutral toilets and they’re great (also means less queueing for women which I would greatly appreciate). I detest communal spaces anyway and feel them a great invasion of privacy. If there are ample options for example bigger toilets/changing rooms for parents and young children and disabled people it would work well. Also, if there was only one set of toilets, they would be easier to monitor and if that’s done well there’s no danger. Just my opinion though!

Safeguarding?

Nope

Why do you think they are segregated in the first place?

On the gender neutral theme though - I was looking for new glasses frames at a shop in London and I had to ask where the women’s’ frames were as it wasn’t obvious. I was informed that all their frames are now gender neutral! In practice, this meant that men’s and women’s frames were all mixed up. I couldn’t be arsed to look through their entire stock, so I walked out.

In an ideal world, sure! Just like communism is great on paper. Never quite works like that those does it. Some people end up more equal than others...

Just to clarify, you mean mixed-sex?

Please explain why you think we have sex-segregated spaces, and then we can discuss why this obviously needs to change.

Well the world has managed it till now, all this gender neutral is an individual choice so why do everyone else have to be obligated to tend to the needs of this choice that people make.

The one and only time I used a mixed sex ‘changing village’ a man stuck his head under my cubicle partition.

So nope.

Erm, no.

Seriously, toilets, whatever, if they're all floor-to-ceiling walls, full doors for cubicles and there's a separate room for urinals, cool

I'm not going into a room with a row of urinals that I have to walk past, to go into a flimsy half open cubicle. It's basic dignity.

So design is imperative.

But, OP, most feminists on here are way beyond bothering about loos.

What about sports? Should they all be mixed sex? What about women's homeless shelters, should they be mixed sex?
Should female beauticians working from home who offer waxing services for women, need to start learning how to wax balls?

Also, OP you might be interested to know that after Target stores changed their changing rooms to "gender inclusive", sex crimes against women in Target changing rooms went up astronomically, including peeping Tom's, upskirting and physical assault.
There is a link if u r interested.

What about many women who don't want it? Why, just because you think it's 'great' should women be forced to share intimate spaces with men? I don't want my daughters having to change a tampon next to a teenage boy at school. In fact, fuck it, neither do I. Why should men be allowed to barge into our spaces (which are protected in law by the way) Just because they want to and fools like you think it's ok?

Your argument didn't even make any sense. Why would mixed sex toilets be easier to monitor? Surely a male predator is a bloody sight easier to spot in a women's toilet than in a mixed sex facility.

Women will need safe spaces until men stop making us feel uncomfortable, unsafe, nervous, scared, stop covertly filming, verbally, physically and sexually abusing, assaulting and murdering us.

You mean individual floor-to-ceiling cubicles, with a sink inside and without any shared area outside them?
Could be okay.

By 'facilities' do you just mean toilets? I thought you meant all facilities - rape centres, abuse refuges, hostel rooms, etc.

Your right to accept men into what should be a female only space, stops at the first woman that says no. You don’t have the right to step over my boundaries and tell me I’m wrong to uphold those boundaries. No means no.

I'm not gender neutral though. I'm a girl. And I want to use a girl's bathroom. They're always cleaner than the men's (having worked in a club and seen a direct comparison nightly between the two.) Plus, urinals stink.

That's probably completely the wrong thing to say and offends everyone. Not that I understand why. How I feel and what makes me comfortable is surely as important as any other person's opinion?

All facilities?
There are some situations where any sex works fine - a loo in a small cafe, for instance.
And others where it ought to be blindingly obvious that the majority will want or need sex segregation - hospital wards, prisons.

If you're just talking loos - well, in a new building with loads of space reserved maybe loads of properly designed single fully enclosed cubicles, with larger ones for families etc might be ok. In existing buildings, it rarely seems possible to retrofit that sort of solution adequately.

If you don't understand why we have segregated facilities, you're not qualified to decide it's safe to remove them - the Chesterton's Fence principle.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chesterton%27s_fence

"What’s in someone’s pants is their business and possibly their GPs too."
That phrase is something of a giveaway. But I'll bite.

'What's in someone's pants' determines how they have been treated - socialised - since birth.

'What's in someone's pants' determines what behaviours society has rewarded them for demonstrating.

'What's in someone's pants' determines whether their concerns are listened to.

What's in someone's pants' is a whole lot more than a body part.

Spare me your faux naivety.

You coming back, OP, or is it another one of those?

Seriously, toilets, whatever, if they're all floor-to-ceiling walls, full doors for cubicles and there's a separate room for urinals, cool

Floor-to-ceiling walls and full doors are not suitable for people with claustrophobia, and if people get locked in and are alone they're not going to be able to shuffle under the door (if they're slim).

It also means the cubicles will need their own light source. If that goes out people will be stuck in the dark.

It sounds utterly dreadful.

Perfectly put RaymondStopThat

I dont personally feel safe in any public toilets. I'd like to see a move to safer spaces regardless of the route we go down with single sex spaces.

OP “ I detest communal spaces anyway and feel them a great invasion of privacy”

Yes, that’s why I’d like them to be single sex. Have you been in a hospital ward lately?

Also, what do you think of the Old Vic loo saga?

I agree that everything should be gender neutral. How one identifies/whatever one feels is their essence is totally irrelevant. Toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards etc should be separated on the basis of SEX

I don’t want to use mixed sex loos, even when they are a single cubicle. More chance of hidden cameras for a start, but also men , especially drunk men, pee everywhere and so when a woman has to pull down trousers to sit and pee, trouser hems can get covered in it. Uggh. They also smell. There is also the fear of a man hiding behind a door, I have been worried about this when faced with a bank of cubicles in a quiet and empty place.
I want space that is female only thanks.

I detest communal spaces anyway and feel them a great invasion of privacy

Interesting op, care to share your empathy with us?