Everything should be gender neutral

[NarcoNympho]

I don’t know how this’ll go down but I think all facilities should be gender neutral. I don’t see the point of segregating it. What’s in someone’s pants is their business and possibly their GPs too. If all facilities weren’t communal, people could still have their private spaces. My favourite bar has gender neutral toilets and they’re great (also means less queueing for women which I would greatly appreciate). I detest communal spaces anyway and feel them a great invasion of privacy. If there are ample options for example bigger toilets/changing rooms for parents and young children and disabled people it would work well. Also, if there was only one set of toilets, they would be easier to monitor and if that’s done well there’s no danger. Just my opinion though!

Gender neutral is fantastic,

Everything should be gender neutral, sex compassionate where required

No girls toys and boys toys. No girls colours and boys colours. Dinasour t shirts for all

all changing area, prison, hospital ward are all totally gender neutral, but sex compassionate

, means that sex separated area are provided , yet No gender can claim to be excluded. Transmen with any other gender identity provided its encasd in a female body

Since some people might feel threatened by this, all facilities should have ( the option of) private locakable doors like M&S because if that's good enough for women who are not happy sharing with men it should also be good enough for men who are not happy sharing with men

Clothes are arranged not be sex but by size and possibly fit ( since most women's clothes don't fit me , it's all about me here)

Safety gear is gender neutral but must by law be sex compassionate...so it must give the same level of protection and comfort to anyone, and if on average on sex is less well served than the other, the company would be automatically fined.

If any school had a low proportion of girls in it's physics and higher maths classes they also would automatically be fined

Gender neutral, fantastic idea.

Youth is no excuse for stupidity

I'm compelled to point out safety gear is not gender neutral women dont need boxes

Ok so I tested google I typed in female safety gear it came up with a tshirt garden gloves and a pink hard hat

Male safety gear! All in one luminous suit a protective cup motorcycle jackets and a stab vest

Gender neutral safety gear brings up this
www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/feb/23/truth-world-built-for-men-car-crashes

Of course everything should be gender neutral. You might as well segregate people according to their star sign.

However the impact of sex is not neutral, and if you never provide sex specific services you disadvantage women.

The is no point to gender segregation

There seems to be a certain amount of conflating gender with sex here.

But sex and gender are not the same thing. Saying gender neutral but sex compassionate is a complete contradiction. Your biological sex is inherent - you can't change it. Whereas gender is a societal construct.

As a woman I do not conform to society's gender norms - I'm the main earner. I don't have kids. I don't wear high heels or dresses. I use power tools. But I am female - and knowing how to use a chainsaw rather than how to change a nappy doesn't make me any less female. And it's the fact that I am female which puts me at higher risk of violence, sexual assault and murder. And as a female my body is different - my hips are wider, I am shorter, I have breasts - so 'neutral' clothing gives me the option of something that doesn't fit, or something that will swamp me.

Sex compassion is an insult. I don't need compassion for being female FFS.

Exactly, sex is a n important factor for lots of things
Gender isn't

Compassionate, aware, not sure the best word to counter neutral

Everything already is gender neutral. People are able to express their gender any way they want. Inside of SEX segregated spaces.

This is the OP who’s posted before about being non-binary and wanting to rip her breasts off on some mornings. I get the impression she’s very young.

I wanted to get rid of mine when I was 19. I wanted to be androgynous and look more like Justine Frischmann. I wore vintage mens shirts but looked ridiculous because I had to buy sizes and sizes too big as I was tiny but had huge boobs. I starved myself as punishment as I hoped it would make my boobs disappear. I wanted to look cool with a guitar and girls with guitars just looked odd and not as cool as boys.

That was after years of being obsessed with football. Football I wasn't allowed to play at school cos I was a girl and girls football didn't exist beyond primary school.

That was after I spent years playing computer games and being told girls couldn't do that. When I wasn't playing computer games I built rope swings in the fields nearby with my mates.

I never wore make up. I didn't want to look 'pretty'. I wanted to be taken seriously interest. I studied media and realised how sexist women's magazines were age 13. I liked reading war history books. I liked being friends with boys more than girls as they were more straightforward and didn't bitch about the way girls looked or how they were friends with such and such.

I was unhappy and did not feel I fitted in anywhere. That lasted until I was about 25. Round about the time everyone started to settle down into serious relationships. The feeling gradually eased but I still find it very difficult at times.

I'd have been non-binary or trans if I were 19 today. Its not something 'new'. It's just a label.

“ This is the OP who’s posted before about being non-binary and wanting to rip her breasts off on some mornings”

Well that applies to a lot of us I reckon. Except it’s every morning, every minute of the day and night.

Practically, loos tend to be all in one place and away from the public thoroughfare. It takes a huge amount of space to have separate self contained cubicles. And a huge amount of wall to have all of them letting onto a public space, which is what you need to keep women safe. Think motorway service station toilets. Where would you put all those doors so that women aren't alone with men at quiet times of day?

This is the OP who’s posted before about being non-binary and wanting to rip her breasts off on some mornings
I understand that feeling. I was DD cup by the time I was 13 and in my first few years of secondary school a gang of boys made my life hell with the endless grabbing and commentary.
I also remember desperately thinking how much I wanted to just cut them off.
It's only now that I'm older that I've found out just how common that experience is for girls and women.
The problem is nothing to do with the breasts themselves but rather a society that views girls bodies as sexual objects.
That's the problem with 'cis'. Gender is nothing more than a set of stereotypes. No wonder women and girls are identifying as trans or non-binary. Who in their right mind identifies as the sexual stereotype associated with their sex?
Its bizarre how utterly sexist it is while claiming to be progressive.

Tabitha thanks for mentioning shared student bedrooms. I'm just waiting at my woke uni, with a lot of shared rooms, for an 28 year-old biological male to be allocated with a female. The OP is presumably cool with that? Sleeping, changing, intimate life... What nonsense. I wish pros talking BS about gender would have this happen to their daughter, and get back to me about it being okay. I await the storm if this does happen where a student self-identifies (no need to share your sex on the form any more) and s female student complains. Transphobia?

Sorry my spellcheck is annoying '18' year old...

Same here @Coldwatershock. My university changed its single sex accommodation blocks to single gender. This was a facility mainly used by young women from certain faith backgrounds or parts of the world. No suitable accommodation for them now, but who cares about actual females, eh? Not to mention the shared bedrooms which have to be deployed when accommodation is oversubscribed. The female student who complains when she finds herself sharing a bedroom with a person with a penis will no doubt be told she’s a bigot and in breach of university policies on trans inclusion.

Just wait for the lawsuits to come in. Then businesses and facilities will start to balance their accounts and see what they want to do. The accountants will save the day.

PS - one set of all-cubicle toilets means MORE queuing for women, not less.

Clara Greed (Professor of Inclusive Urban Planning) will explain far better than I can:

And here is a whole heap of other reasons why your plan won’t work well for women as a whole:
womansplaceuk.org/gender-neutral-toilets-dont-work-for-women-2/

I absolutely support additional, third spaces for people such as yourself who don’t want to use sex segregated facilities (including parents accompanying opposite sex children) but single sex facilities must be maintained.

All unisex is a spy cam voyeurs dream :/

Male safety gear! All in one luminous suit a protective cup motorcycle jackets and a stab vest

Even though a woman invented Kevlar, we get a pink hard hat. Says it all really.

“ The problem is nothing to do with the breasts themselves”

It is for me. But I still want single sex facilities.

What’s in someone’s pants is their business and possibly their GPs too.

Ideal world - yes, sure.

Reality - people with certain parts in their pants (1) try to stick them into other people's pants;
(2) go to inordinate lengths to get a glimpse of what's in someone else's pants;
(3) try really hard to show what's in their pants to other people.
There's a very strong pattern in this which correlates extremely well with what's in people's pants.

I see no reason whatsoever to ignore this really strong behaviour pattern.