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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Did Obama just call out calling out?

21 replies

Lamahaha · 01/11/2019 06:42

Has this been mentioned yet? I wasn't on MN yesterday, and no subject on page 1, so here goes:

www.marketwatch.com/story/barack-obama-to-social-justice-warriors-youre-doing-it-all-wrong-2019-10-30

Obama's the one that started the whole gender wokeness thing; has he finally realised what a Pandora's box he opened? Nothing specific about TGA, but he does use the word woke...

“Like if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn’t do something right, or used the wrong verb, then I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself because: ‘Man, did you see how woke I was? I called you out,’” he said. “That is not activism.”

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Lamahaha · 01/11/2019 06:44

I should specify: he didn't start gender wokeness. but he basically legalised it in the USA.

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WorkingItOutAsIGo · 01/11/2019 06:45

Yes he called it out. It’s had a lot of praise on Twitter.

Lamahaha · 01/11/2019 06:48

I admit I did not watch the video.
Here's another link:

townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/10/30/obama-to-young-people-get-over-being-woke-and-stop-cancel-culture-n2555571

I'm not sure what "cancel culture" is.

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NotTerfNorCis · 01/11/2019 06:51

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call-out_culture

cancel culture describes a form of boycott in which someone (usually a celebrity) who has shared a questionable or unpopular opinion, or has had behavior that is perceived to be either offensive or problematic called out on social media is "canceled"; they are completely boycotted by many of their followers or supporters, often leading to massive declines in celebrities' (almost always social media personalities) careers and fanbase.

Lamahaha · 01/11/2019 06:54

Thanks. Well, it's a start. I hope the Dem candidates take note and follow his lead. They are the wokest of the woke.

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FannyCann · 01/11/2019 06:54

Don't know if links from spinster work but this was an interesting take on it.

Thanks, Obama. No, really!

medium.com/4th-wave-feminism/obama-just-called-out-woke-culture-will-the-internet-mobs-listen-7d0059a10788
spinster.xyz/@mk/posts/103058575900129397

NotBadConsidering · 01/11/2019 07:25

I posted this on the Glasgow thread. Good to read.

Lamahaha · 01/11/2019 08:57

When I read "wrong verb" I immediately thought, he means "wrong pronoun". Others on FB are saying the same thing. We all get it -- we also get that he is treading a fine line, and we get that he gets it. Grin

It's all euphemisms. I guess he can't be outspoken... yet.
Obama is still King to American lefties...

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Ereshkigal · 01/11/2019 09:18

A work colleague who knows my leanings told me about this in the pub last night. It surprised me, but it's welcome.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/11/2019 09:31

"Like if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn’t do something right, or used the wrong verb, then I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself because: ‘Man, did you see how woke I was? I called you out,’” he said. “That is not activism.”

It's not activism (let alone actual action) - it's a cheap form of moral licensing.

Tanith · 01/11/2019 09:56

It seems that cancelling is a thing in US high schools. We used to call it “sending to Coventry” many years ago.
Malory Towers and St. Clare’s books will have examples, I’m sure.
Nothing new under the sun Smile

ErrolTheDragon · 01/11/2019 10:03

It seems that cancelling is a thing in US high schools. We used to call it “sending to Coventry” many years ago.

A particularly nasty form of bullying.

NotBadConsidering · 01/11/2019 11:30

Hopefully Obama can have some self-reflection on this issue, and I won’t need to “call him out” on the changes his administration made to Title IX:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_under_Title_IX

Lamahaha · 01/11/2019 13:02

Hopefully he'll check out Mumsnet.

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Ereshkigal · 01/11/2019 13:16

Web chat! Grin

FWRLurker · 01/11/2019 14:58

This is great news, as others I sincerely hope the pres candidates will take note.

AutumnRose1 · 01/11/2019 15:00

Really hope people listen to this

Freespeecher · 01/11/2019 17:02

Hmm, he's still a politician so maybe he's saying it as he knows something's imminently about to break regarding his favoured candidate in the Dem race?

RedToothBrush · 01/11/2019 22:05

Thank fuck. Long overduem

Smallblanket · 02/11/2019 08:28

Janice Turner summing it up nicely in today's Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/woke-generation-has-created-a-cult-of-purity-f9cr25vj7?shareToken=2cc652592cd70aee144dfafb2ba8afe5

RedToothBrush · 02/11/2019 08:52

Fabulous article.

Do you want to stay pure or do you want to win, sums up everything vaguely political in 2019.

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