Center Parcs upholding single sex spaces?

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www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/10/30/center-parcs-trans-woman-changing-rooms-equalities-act-victoria-hodges/

Public Indecency. “Public indecency” generally refers to acts involving nudity or sexual activity in view of the public, often with the intent to shock, offend, or arouse. It includes criminal offenses like indecent exposure and lewd conduct.
Seems we can report a naked penis is a female changing rooms.

As part of a process with a GIC you have to update your details, as I’ve said I socially transitioned, and five months later started HRT.

It was some years later I had GRS.

I was for a time Vicky.

Incredibly the process of transitioning is actually painfully slow, so we’ll all be in that position when we do.

The Scottish proposals relate specifically to the birth certificate, you can already change common ID such as driving license relatively simply. Changing your name with a utility company only requires a deedpoll.

As a post op trans woman without a GRC I am legally male and use the female toilets when in public.

I’m still waiting on how you would realistically police a law that would ban me from doing so.

Transitioning is the act of undergoing any steps to live as the gender you identify with
Now I know I've not got the greatest memory, but we already did this shit last year.
I am gender free.
Because I dont feel like a woman. I dont identify as a woman. I just am a woman.
So as I also have short hair I must be trans.

Unless someone can ever answer the question that's always without fail ignored.

WHAT IS A WOMAN?

I did in terms of people denying you can ascertain someone's sex. I have another screenshot of a gathering of transwomen and transman, and you can tell, quite easily, which sex they all are

In my child's school, there is absolutely no doubt that one child identifying as a girl is male, because it's recent, and children have memories, and last term he was a boy.

Could people disingenuously arguing that 'sometimes you can't tell, and what you don't know won't hurt you' please remember that many of us are talking about cases in which there is no doubt whatever? Our own colleagues, nieces and nephews, husbands, friends' children and children's classmates?

And that forcing us to pretend we've forgotten/should have forgotten/can't really know what we know is the very definition of gaslighting?

I mean, we all know that the end game is to stop women and girls' fear at being forced into spaces with naked male bodies is to call that fear irrational, discriminatory and "negative", so that all females get taught that it's wrong to have these boundaries. Right? That's not even the next step, that's what's all over Twitter etc at the moment.

Women and girls must accept that they should not be able to, not even want to, be in a space free of male bodies (naked or otherwise).

Going to the toilet is fine, in my view.
But going and changing nude in a female changing rooms where you have a penis is wrong. It means you feel you matter MORE than the people your offending.
Woman don't do that to other woman.

how you would realistically police a law that would ban me from doing so

How about you just don't, out of consideration for other people?

'Nerr nerr, can't stop me, and if you do, I'm telling the teacher' is no way to live an adult life.

"I’m still waiting on how you would realistically police a law that would ban me from doing so."

Just so we're clear, you're saying that it being illegal (in this scenario) would not stop you?

As a post op trans woman without a GRC I am legally male and use the female toilets when in public.

You will ALWAYS be Male. Sex in unchangeable in humans.
And why the hell as a male are you even using female only spaces?

Abusers will always find ways to abuse, but would have been challenged more in the past and removed before any laws needed to be invoked. Just because most people are decent and interested in safeguarding vulnerable children and adults.

TRA ideology forces people who might have said 'hang on a second, there's lots of young girls getting changed in there, you shouldn't be in there mate' to remain silent out of fear of being labelled 'phobic' or being hauled to the police station for wrongthink. And so, this is easier for those so inclined www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3928585/transgender-sex-offender-female-only-fife-hostel-katie-dalatowski-furious-residents/

And so another layer of community safeguarding of young girls goes.

I’m still waiting on how you would realistically police a law that would ban me from doing so.

You seem to think that's a gotcha question, Bronners, but every time you repeat it you make yourself sound worse.

I want to do something that is going to cause you discomfort and harm and

I’m still waiting on how you would realistically police a law that would ban me from doing so.

Said no person with female socialisation ever.

Or as a previous poster so eloquently said Women don't do that to other women

You seem to think that's a gotcha question, Bronners, but every time you repeat it you make yourself sound worse

This. Do you actually think this is helping your case that you are living as a woman?

A law banning you won't stop you going into the toilet, it does however mean anyone can report you when you do so for breaking a law, and means you could be charged for the offence.

I dislike the narrative that we should automatically accept as female those who have 'tried hard enough' by going under the knife. It herds TW towards life changing surgery which cannot make them female.

Bear with me here....

The vast majority of natal women wouldn't dream of going into a space explicitly labelled for men only - particularly if they KNEW it would make the men and boys uncomfortable

so it follows that

surely anyone doing the reverse logically excludes themselves from any claim to be 'living as a woman'. ?

I've yet to see female socialisation as one of the attributes anybody wishes to take on.

You can't deny people's existence and still expect a meaningful discussion or cooperation.

This "denying existence" thing is so jarring and I want to talk about it.

If someone says something false about me, like say if they claimed that I was male, I wouldn't say that they were denying my existence.

The only way it this claim even starts to make sense is if the people claiming their existence is being denied see themselves not as embodied human beings, but as fictional characters.

I have tried, in the interests of empathy, to imagine a scenario in which I could say those words, and this is what I came up with: if I was pretending to be my own imaginary friend, or spirit guide, or something, and someone said "quit playacting, Kan!" then , in the voice of my imaginary character maybe "you're denying my existence" would make sense.

But from the perspective of an actual embodied person, it's clear that someone talking to me or about me is not denying my existence. So the claim that "you're denying my existence" is a tacit admission that the speaker's identity is fictional .

There's also a very interesting projection happening here - the person having their existence denied is surely the embodied person who is acting out the fictional character, who is no longer to be spoken of or acknowledged in any way.

I've yet to see female socialisation as one of the attributes anybody wishes to take on

Yep. Or 'women's work' like caring.

We don't want the law to NEED to be policed. We want people to be decent and respect women's and girls' privacy, safety and comfort. Why on earth would someone WANT to make people uncomfortable and scared? It's beyond me.

There are always people willing to flout rules. Bus lanes, disabled parking spaces, cycling on the pavement. But by and large people are considerate. Otherwise, as animals, we'd not be able to tolerate living crammed together in huge cities.

In less law abiding societies it is far more dangerous to be a woman. Or trans for that matter.

Why on earth would someone WANT to make people uncomfortable and scared?

Well, quite. I'm sure we can all think of several reasons.

If someone shows you who they are, believe them

Centre Parks (like all organisations) have a Duty of Care to those on their sites be they customers or staff.
This Duty of Care will be informed by Safeguarding principles for childen & vulnerable adults.
Policies in spas, swimming pools etc where there are clear risks are not just informed by the individual 'rights' focus of legislation such as Equality Act, GRA.
Female changing spaces are clearly areas where Duty of Care & Safeguarding principles should be formost in providers' focus.

Girls (under 18) & women need single sex spaces when undressed for their safety, dignity & privacy.
If a provider makes such a space mixed sex, they have obligations to all women & the parents/carers of girls (under 18) to make clear the consequential additional risks so they can make informed choices.
-its why there are always clear warning signs when male employees are maintaining or cleaning female toilets etc

September 2018 Independent article:
"The vast majority of reported sexual assaults at public swimming pools in the UK take place in unisex changing rooms, new statistics reveal.

The data, obtained through a Freedom of Information request by the Sunday Times, suggests that unisex changing rooms are more dangerous for women and girls than single-sex facilities.

Just under 90 per cent of complaints regarding changing room sexual assaults, voyeurism and harassment are about incidents in unisex facilities.

What’s more, two thirds of all sexual attacks at leisure centres and public swimming pools take place in unisex changing rooms." (continues)
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html