Center Parcs upholding single sex spaces?

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www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/10/30/center-parcs-trans-woman-changing-rooms-equalities-act-victoria-hodges/

I actually like communal changing areas, though I'm used to them from gyms, which may make a difference. You have room to spread out, you can take things out of your locker gradually instead of having to transport a big pile to a cubicle, whilst holding on to your towel and losing things on the way, and I often get into conversations with other women. It would be a shame to lose that because of men.

Women who have XY chromosomes and complete androgen insensitivity syndrome would be weeded out by a male DNA rule.

It would also rule out women pregnant with boys

That's clearly not the agenda here. A starting point would be to accept that transgender men and women are the gender/sex that they tell you they are."

No. It's a complete sentence. We know what sex they are, and "gender" is simply a largely misogynistic social construct based on sex role stereotypes.

I cannot understand the logic of this.

If a penis is exposed in front of a young girl in the swimming area of CP, the police would be called.

But a penis exposed in front of a young girl in the changing rooms of CP is supposed to be a wonderful example of inclusion, hurrah!

Wow, that 100m makes all the difference.

because so many (most?) can't or won't have genital surgery.

Evidence suggests that between 80 and 95% don't have it.

As a woman, why aren't you cognisant of all the inculcated, well founded anxiety women feel around natally male bodies, and why is our own peace of mind and our own distress not as valuable as your having access to our spaces? You were offered a unisex setting, but didn't feel that was good enough. You wanted the right to walk through a room of changing women to feel validated as one of them. And their feelings weren't of the slightest interest to you.

Why is it that you see that as a triumph?

I'm glad any undecided lurkers can see exactly what kind of things many pushing this agenda value.

80% to 95% of the trans population do not transition and live as the sex they were born. Until the age of 34 I was one of those.

They indeed don’t have any surgery or hormone therapy. They also won’t be accessing spaces and services of the opposite sex.

But hey, let the world believe there are thousands of people out there who are abusing the system.

They also won’t be accessing spaces and services of the opposite sex.

I don't for one second believe this. They are.

I mean I'm not sure how you have the brass neck to make that claim. It's demonstrably, provably false.

By Vicky’s own words she did access spaces meant for the opposite sex and walked through the women’s changing area 4 times? Assuming 5-10 women and girls are changing there that is 20 - 40 women who could be feeling very uncomfortable. Vicky doesn’t care about that. That is one visit.

To put it in perspective at how ridiculous the claim is, we know around 30,000 people (probably more) have had GRS.

If that represented just 1/5 of the transitioned community, there would be 120,000 more of us out in society.

As much as we’re more visible in society these days, such a high number is clearly not the reality and the false stat massively undermines your case.

But hey, let the world believe there are thousands of people out there who are abusing the system.

A single male body (a body with a functioning Y chromosome) is an abuse of the system. There are two on this thread!

Does anyone have a link to the individual who's in the women's shelter in Vancouver who took selfies with their cock out, or the one in I believe NYC who took selfies of themself naked in the public changing room of their gym, or...

Also Bronners approx 90% of trans people don't have genital surgery.

(I say approx as I've seen figures of between 88-94% and some might have only the testicles removed but keep the penis. If a penis-like appendage is surgically attached to a female I would expect that they would feel uncomfortable in the women's due to their dysphoria and would want to change with the men.)

If you or anyone else is male and in the ladies toilets or changing areas I ask you politely to abide by the law and stay out of women's spaces and I encourage you to campaign for space where you feel comfortable.

This one, Kittens?

www.womenarehuman.com/male-transgender-boasts-of-harassing-women-in-crisis-shelter/

As much as we’re more visible in society these days, such a high number is clearly not the reality and the false stat massively undermines your case.

It's your side's stat, mate. Transactivists can't have it all ways. The estimate given to the government by trans organisations is 1% of the population. Blame Stonewall for the wider definition in place now, including crossdressers, "non binary", "agender" and "genderfluid" people. Acceptance Without Exception!

Oh and that’s based on your lower estimate, around 7% of trans people actually go on to transition during their lives based on current evidence.

So you’re likely to be looking at best part of half a million people who you say live amongst you without GRS.

It really doesn’t stand up to very basic scrutiny.

Yep!

You might want to have a word with Stonewall, mate, since they don't seem to agree with your stats.

I see you’re attacking me rather than critically considering what your stats actually mean.

But, if that’s how you roll.

This one?

And, of course, no one knows if someone has had surgery, has a gender recognition certificate, or anything. It's nonsense to suggest that any kind of criteria is necessary.

I'm not quite sure what point you're making with the stats. One male body in women's space is too many.

To provide some real life experience rather than stats for a moment. I live in a tiny village where I have seen a TW.

In the closest big town I have seen 3.

In London on a climate change protest I saw about 12.

I didn't see anyone breaking the law but then I wasn't using the womens only spaces only at the time and it only takes one breach of the law for the law to be broken.

Oh and that’s based on your lower estimate, around 7% of trans people actually go on to transition during their lives based on current evidence.

What do you mean by "transition" here? You see how clear, coherent and consistent language is important? Because I'll take a guess it isn't what most Equality policies mean.