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Glasgow Conservatoire accused of ableism and transphobia

162 replies

Igneococcus · 30/10/2019 06:31

Can they not see how ludicrous this will appear to anybody outside their bubble?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/diversity-row-after-conservatoire-is-accused-of-ableism-and-transphobia-m77wr030m?shareToken=5de1751afcada56a85ddd52141df3ecf

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ThatIsNotMyUsername · 10/12/2020 09:06

I assume this person was wanting a career? Where they have to work with people and be managed/directed? Good luck with this smell following them...

Floisme · 10/12/2020 09:16

I've always defended young people studying performing arts if that's their passion. I've even argued it teaches you resilience and how to take feedback.... Blush

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 10/12/2020 09:18

Indeed - if you can’t argue your work or take a knock back /criticism then you are in the wrong industry.

MedusasBadHairDay · 10/12/2020 10:00

I do think the reporting on this has been a little.. disingenuous. Especially about the Cantonese, the complaint wasn't about a mispronunciation, it was that when it was realised that they weren't able to pronounce the word and the student had thanked them for trying, a comment was made about how that's what the Cantonese students sounded to the English staff when they spoke English. Clearly not a great thing to say, even if meant as a joke.

I also googled to see if there'd been an update since the original article, and found another student with MS saying that they were repeatedly discouraged from using mobility aids and accused of lying about their need for them. So, there's clearly more going on here, even if some of the complaints seem an overreaction.

AndreiaNobre · 10/12/2020 10:09

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CatsCantCatchCriminals2 · 10/12/2020 10:52

Someone resurrected a zombie thread at 03.04 during the night, apparently made a very log post that peeps have responded to. And now that post has been deleted so it's hard to guess what they said (and therefore what the responses address).

Have I got that right?

CatsCantCatchCriminals2 · 10/12/2020 10:53

Iong post not log post!

(I've seen that advert for those books on at least four threads now.)

CoffeeTeaChocolate · 10/12/2020 10:57

Medusa, I don’t doubt that some of the staff might have been idiots. A lot of people are. My point is that it should be an aim for everyone to call these things out in a friendly way. If I had overheard a “joke” like that I would have made a face and said something along the lines, “that is kind of inappropriate. Unless you are Prince Phillip, we should probably be a bit careful with those comments”.

Regarding the MS, if that is true, it is completely inappropriate. However, it should have been easily solved with a doctor/consultant’s letter.

I was signed off sick for a few days due to a high risk pregnancy. My boss questioned it. We had a nice HR discussion, I had a consultant letter (I was under bi-weekly consultant care on the NHS) and everything was solved very amicably with me having time off for all medical appointments. Once it had been formally cleared, my boss was very supportive. And I held no grudge against him. I only felt slightly embarrassed over all the fuss HR made of me for the rest of my pregnancy.

The problem is mulling over multiple injustices, getting a gang together and write some kind of a letter or go above somebody’s head without calling it out first. And I am saying this as somebody who helped to get a misogynistic bully fired by keeping a diary about everything inappropriate I witnessed. This was, however, a man who frequently reduced junior female colleagues to tears by shouting at them. And on the request of my (male) boss.

donquixotedelamancha · 10/12/2020 11:42

And now that post has been deleted so it's hard to guess what they said

That Facebook statement and the rant on here are like some parody of a whiney student. It makes the cast of the young ones look like grounded, practical thinkers.

There seem to have been a couple of quite serious incidents but when you report a shopping list of complaints, long after the incidents with such ridiculous language and bad faith assumptions it makes it hard to believe.

I bet there were culture problems but demanding the institution do what you say and pay for your 'emotional labour' any credibility is gone.

SunsetBeetch · 10/12/2020 12:13

Some of those accusations do sound terrible. I have every sympathy for the students who were on the receiving end.

But Jesus, their writing is so steeped in PoMo and Queer Theory it sounds laughable. Using neutral, everday language would have served them much better in being taken seriously.

aliasundercover · 10/12/2020 12:14

Are they really called E wank d? Surely that’s a joke name?

allmywhat · 10/12/2020 12:25

I only read it once but I remember a bit where he says a lecturer talked about being raped. He said first ‘how did she know what the triggers of her students were’

Oh, a case of "stop talking about male violence, it makes men uncomfortable* And "if you won't shut up we'll make you shut up."

I feel for his future therapist. S/he'll earn that 73K.

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