The Upcoming Election

[TerfTalk]

I guess we will get the manifestos in a few days, which should be interesting...

All I remember from the previous elections was far too much: "I am in the X party. There are tons of people in the X party that are gender critical, but they can't say anything because of A, B, C."

Personally, I am spoiling my ballot unless any of the parties (other than UKIP) take a gender critical stance. I am in a Labour safe seat, so it won't make any difference to my area.

I'm gong to spoil my vote for the first time ever, I don't care anymore.

Frack, and anyone else who questions this can FRO. It's MY vote and nobody else's.

Until Frack and others can come into my DD's school and sort out the fact that a yr6 male changes in her changing rooms - because "he's a girl" to quote his class mates - well, until that's sorted everything else can go to fuck.

Frack - you're so quick to accuse us of throwing people under the bus - My daughter is already under there. A boy who identifies as a girl stares at her every PE lesson. She's 11. She's starting puberty. Sort THAT the fuck out. Then I might vote for the party you approve of.

FrackOff

I am not voting for my own erasure, or that of my daughter, my mother, my auntie, my mates, my neighbours, the nice lady in the shop etc etc. There is no more important issue here than the rights, safety, privacy and dignity of women. I am not interested in blatherings about this is more important or maybe that. You are willing to throw 51% of the UK population under a bus by attempting to guilt-trip us into yet again, no ALWAYS, putting ourselves last behind whatever issue Labour or whatever half-spout about today knowing they'll do fuck all, they're just after links the faithful can retweet while still keeping plausible deniability for when they can't be arsed to do anything about it (cf UC, welfare cuts, students, social housing ad nauseum). Well no. For once, women must come first. Don't tell us what we should vote for. We will tell you what your policies have to be if you want our vote.

What several pp said. Emotional blackmail isn't going to work here, give it up.

Agree with the others. I'm spoiling my ballot paper.

It feels like the equivalent of being TOLD to be kind and nice.

it's not about just women.

that dangerous gender ideology is taught in school.
and teen and kids are mutilating their healthy body.
and parents lost their son/daughters because they didn't agree to transitioning.

and what about cheering sex positive thing?
1-2years later in school, they tell kids to be sex worker.

and freedom of speech.
we are losing our one of most important right.
people are canceled because of 'wrong thinking'

and freedom of religion.
and right to be safe.
what about sports?

I wouodnMt say it was emotional blackmail to recognise that there important issues in politics in additional to this one. And that spoiling your ballot removed your choice from all of them.

No party represents you at all on one single issue. Therefore that issue needs continuted work.

If you think no other issue is relevant to women, then fine, crack on and spoil papers because of that.

But people who think things like the wider state of the economy, the NHS, level of governmental borrowing, pensions, level of centralisation/nationalisation matter; then they will still vote.

No one is going to even notice a GC boycott. And there is so much else that matters too

It's easy for parties to fix it, MoggyP. Remove the attack on women from their manifesto plans. If they won't do that, the rest is meaningless. People can vote however they like as you say - that includes women who want to be classed as people. There are plenty of marginal seats. Our votes most certainly will be missed.

So basically we should vote for misogynists because there are other important issues too?

I can only speak for myself, but I’m not willing to vote for any party that relegates women to second class citizen status.

No Floisme far from it. If you see one issue as so toweringly important that other policies are irrelevant, then go ahead (and presumably vote UKIP)

It is a case of thinking about when 'the best becomes the enemy of the good'.

And realising that those who think spoiling a ballot because of a single-issue is not a good response, are not engaging in emotional blackmail or any other malign intent.

And yes of course you vote by what you consider important. If all the other things in party manisfestos are unimportant, then do not consider voting. To put in different terms, you're not going to get A La Carte, so which Table d'Hote could work best, even though your favourite food is on none of them?

(Not much point in spoiling a paper though - they are only scrutinised to check if there is any way it could be a valid vote, no attention is paid beyond that, though sometimes it might make a teller giggle. If you think it's sending a message, then your belief is misplaced. There was a long thread on vote-spoiling yesterday, with interesting info from MNetters who say they have worked as tellers).

What if I don't like ANY of the food? What if I am allergic to one of the ingredients? Should I eat it anyway?

This post from Knewmee articulates my thoughts

It's a shame people are so willing to spoil a ballot. These people will throw everyone else under the bus because of an obsession with who has what genitals. Vote against austerity, privatisation of the NHS etc - these issues impact the women you claim to be fighting for much more than the existence of a small group of people who don't conform to sex and gender stereotypes

Oh, go and tell the Labour Party to sort its manifesto out so that it is a suitable document for women and anyone interested in child protection.

We can vote (or not) however we see fit. And a party that endorses the erasure of the sex class woman and the abrogation of child protection isn't one I'll be marking my cross besides.

@MoggyP have you got a link to that thread please? I've just had a look in a number of topics but can't find it. I'm considering spoiling my paper (will see what my local candidates have to say first) but interested to read a discussion about it.

To those posters trying to guilt trip women into giving our votes to politicians currently handing over our rights and our children's safety because.........
If a party wants my vote they they need to start respecting my rights. It is this fucking guilt tripping be nice, be responsible, be kind, wait a while crap that has got us into this position where men with porn addictions, flashers and predators have managed to take over the public space and redesign not just women, but our whole society in order to open it up for their fetishes and wishes. The Tories have enabled this shitstorm and Labour and the Lib Dems have allowed and encouraged vicious bullying and frightening attacks on women trying to discuss safeguarding and women's rights.
Then their representatives rock up on here to demand that we suddenly forget all this and see them as responsible political parties?
Jog on the lot of you. No respect - no fucking vote from me.

No Floisme far from it. If you see one issue as so toweringly important that other policies are irrelevant, then go ahead (and presumably vote UKIP)
Yes I do think misogyny is 'toweringly important' - I'd have thought we could take that as read on a feminist board. Interesting though that you try and dismiss concerns about misogyny in the Labour Party as support for UKIP.

Yes, people sneering at me for my strongly held principles and feelings doesn't really incline me to change my mind Moggy. So given that you're so concerned about our votes and what we do with them, I'd knock it off if I were you.

(and presumably vote UKIP)

We're talking about spoiling our votes - you suddenly interpret that as "voting UKIP" ? Interesting.

I won't vote for any party that seeks to systematically dismantle women's rights - and I include UKIP in that, who have some very questionable ideas on maternity leave.

As for the other parties - Green, Labour and LibDem will all amend the GRA to make self ID law - so I can't vote for them either.

So it's Tory or spoiled vote for me. We all have our red lines.

To those posters trying to guilt trip women into giving our votes to politicians currently handing over our rights and our children's safety because.........
If a party wants my vote they they need to start respecting my rights. It is this fucking guilt tripping be nice, be responsible, be kind, wait a while crap that has got us into this position where men with porn addictions, flashers and predators have managed to take over the public space and redesign not just women, but our whole society in order to open it up for their fetishes and wishes. The Tories have enabled this shitstorm and Labour and the Lib Dems have allowed and encouraged vicious bullying and frightening attacks on women trying to discuss safeguarding and women's rights.
Then their representatives rock up on here to demand that we suddenly forget all this and see them as responsible political parties?
Jog on the lot of you. No respect - no fucking vote from me.

Nail. On. Head.

I mentioned UKIP because if you do not care about other policies enough to vote on what parties offer in the round, and you do want to vote for a GC policy party; then that is the party that one would logically vote for.

It's not a hugely interesting or original point, it's the obvious one based on support for that policy as sine qua non, with other policy ar as dismissed (irrespective of their impact on women)

UKIP may not support self ID, but they also are not supporters of women's rights, therefore the feminists here are not likely to vote for them.

Good grief MoggyP - you are scraping the barrel to come onto a feminist forum and suggest women on here would want to vote UKIP?
I get it's frustrating that few (none?) of us agree with you but it's worth appreciating that for most of us, political parties who are casual about child safeguarding and women's rights don't actually qualify as responsible politicians or safe guardians of society.
They prove that they are weak willed, easily bought by those who bully and shout the loudest and utterly uncaring about children and their wellbeing. Not getting our votes is a direct consequence of their appalling choices.
"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time".

Moggy if you're going to go to the trouble of singling out one of my posts it might be useful to read the others - there aren't that many. To paraphrase, I have repeatedly said that my issue with the Labour Party is no longer about GC policies but about misogyny. That dates from Brighton when a speaker at the party conference was boo'd and heckled for stating that women should have the right to meet without harassment. If you seriously want me to reconsider then I suggest you quit the lecturing and the lazy attempt to write me off as a UKIP voter and have a think about what happened that day - at a party conference - and why, to the best of my knowledge, the party leadership said bugger all about it.

If you see one issue as so toweringly important that other policies are irrelevant, then go ahead (and presumably vote UKIP) From one racist, misogynist Brexiteer party to another then if the original choice would have been Labour.

when 'the best becomes the enemy of the good' It's come to something when wanting a political party not to put women in physical danger is suddenly 'the best'. It is the fucking least they should be doing.

You don't have to look far from the top of the Labour Party to see why women and children get such a raw deal from the m (according to a Labour MP) Times article today - share token:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ex-labour-mp-john-mann-accuses-jeremy-corbyn-of-ignoring-sexual-harassment-claims-qqlcdd2h9?shareToken=ae23942869135dc0a66be01435c8638f