The Upcoming Election

[TerfTalk]

I guess we will get the manifestos in a few days, which should be interesting...

All I remember from the previous elections was far too much: "I am in the X party. There are tons of people in the X party that are gender critical, but they can't say anything because of A, B, C."

Personally, I am spoiling my ballot unless any of the parties (other than UKIP) take a gender critical stance. I am in a Labour safe seat, so it won't make any difference to my area.

The same goes for some of the posters dropping by to scold us.
Hope that doesn't refer to me. But if it does, 1) I'm not dropping by, I've posted here for years, less regularly recently because there is only so many times I can type put the same posts about gender and other posters like Datun are more patient than me and 2) I'm not scolding, I'm genuinely scared of what 5 more years of an increasingly right wing Conservative party could do. I dont know what else I can do other than to encourage people to turn out and vote.

Maybe we need to start standing independents to give disenfranchised women someone to vote for

It didn't refer to you - you didn't castigate women for not setting their concerns to one side.

Labour were keeping UC and the associated cuts in their last manifesto. They may have paid lip service (again) to change but it'll probably be forgotten about yet again and their 'solution' is another new system aka fuckup. Brexiteer Corbyn has also explicitly spoken against immigration so that doesn't wash either. Interestingly, the level of NHS funding promised by Labour last time was significantly below what the Tories gave.

Exactly this. There is an assumption that Labour will undo the harm started by the Tories, but they have not told us if, or how, they intend to do this for the worst off.

But they have shown us that they disapprove of freespeech, and told us they intend to write women’s sex based rights out of the equality act.

They have zero understanding of safe guarding and have no interest in learning.

Also, never forget they abstained when parliament voted through austerity.

For me, the free speech issue seems the most dangerous, as it ushers in totalitarianism.

There are parties to vote for other than Labour and Conservative.

I doubt very much people will die due to labour's policies, in the way they have been recently.

Even if you can't stomach lib dem, there is green, plaid, SNP, brexit party (), independents, monster raving loony, etc etc

I've never voted labour btw and conservative only once, when I wasnt old enough to know better. Usually LD, Green or Independent if available

Olly similar boat my current mp is good friends with Alyn and retweets Patrick Harvey.

Talked it through with my Dad and he said to vote SNP and then vote after indy for who better represents me, but what about the damage done in the mean time, what if indy fails again.

QuentinWinters

Only if they stand in your area though.

Anti-austerity IS women’s rights though. Austerity hits women far worse than men. It’s not something that is separate from women’s rights.

If you can’t accurately define what a woman is, any chance of measuring these impacts and challenging discriminatory policies - legally if necessary - goes out the window. It’s really fundamental stuff. I’m furious. For the first time ever, I am considering spoiling my ballot and I’m really angry to be in this position. If my Labour MP stood as an independent, I would vote for her in a heartbeat. The Labour party in its current form us not fit for purpose and is actively working against the interests of women. I could not be angrier about the state we are in right now.

It's ok to put stickers on, isn't it? I was thinking I might make a sticker with the Susan B. Anthony quote & a few buzzwords & phrases that will communicate my concerns. I'm in a very safe Tory seat so I doubt he'll be going anywhere, much as I'd like to be rid of him. I will email all the candidates though, just in case one of them actually supports the issues that are important to me.

Someone upthread suggested putting together something for us to work from when emailing candidates... That would be very useful, if anyone has time!

I'd been wondering just why Labour have been doing so badly in the polls. I wonder if their behaviour on women's rights has anything to do with it?

Mind you, female politicians seem to be bailing left, right and centre (in all senses), and I can't blame them.

I can see the argument on both sides, and it's a very difficult decision to make ie Labour vs spoiling my ballot.

Spoiling your ballot is somewhat limited in getting an exact message across.

Whatever I decide, I am definitely going to engage all visiting candidates and their representatives in a very detailed and lengthy discussion about their particular party's policies and publicity regarding the corrosion of womens sex-based rights.
They will leave knowing exactly why I don't want to vote for their party.

I'd been wondering just why Labour have been doing so badly in the polls. I wonder if their behaviour on women's rights has anything to do with it?

I doubt it. All that will happen is what happened at the last GE - the media are bound to give fair representation to the main parties. And when they do so, Labour will shoot up the polls.

I would guess that labour doing badly has to do with their utterly incompetent and communist leader.

Only for those who believe everything they read in the tabloids.

Corbyn is far from a communist FFS. But I guess after a decade of tories and Blair before them, it’s easy to brand anything left of centre as communist.

He is pro Brexit though and he has more or less fucked the party into the ground. If they had a decent leader, they would win.

Yes and Dawn Butler would be Home Secretary or the newly created Trans Minister

Be grateful we have the chance to vote. Personally anything but a Corbyn left/communist government please........whether you are pro brexit or not its fine. I am cross with the tories for the raising of the female pension age by 6 years in one go however there is a bigger picture. Finally just please vote.

Why did you have to call him that, it's wrong to compare any human being to that.

Okay that was out of order. I apologise for that and will report my post. But he is terrible and his kindly granddad image doesn’t fool me. Him point blank refusing to resign when people were resigning from his cabinet left right and centre shows that this is some personal mission for him.

Yes, DeathGrip, there is that possibility, too. When does the 'fair coverage' rule kick in?

This election should give us a good chance to try to question candidates on their scientific illiteracy. Been working on this for a while. So far this is what I've come up with:-

"Candidate XX - (DYSWIDT?!) - I think we all agree now that climate change denial is a denial of science? So why do you deny the science of human biology? It isn't an opinion that you can't change sex. It's scientific. If you deny those facts, how can we trust you on other matters of scientific facts?"

Needs work!

@Apollo440 said

The communists have been consistently GC and backed women over gender ideology

Yes I know! It's truly bizarre isn't it! The faux communists in the Labour Party - the "luxury communists" as some style themselves - are all for it but the real communists are totally with us.

Morning Star has been great on it. I tell you it's giving me cognitive dissonance something rotten!

Great

Personally, I am spoiling my ballot unless any of the parties (other than UKIP) take a gender critical stance. I am in a Labour safe seat, so it won't make any difference to my area.

Sorry I haven't read the full thread but I believe this is what I'm going to have to do given the Lib Dem's recent shit show statements.

Though a number of local green candidates are very GC, I may vote for mine if I can find out their stance on it all.