What is being taught in schools regarding transgender ideology?

[AugustL]

Hi, is there a thread being kept to record what is being taught in schools in the U.K. Or elsewhere?

I saw this on Twitter. It's in a school in America. For 4th grade which is apparently 9 yrs old.

mobile.twitter.com/teacher2teacher/status/1186749900911869952

I just thought, kids are going to be confused. They are going to make children think they are transgender when they're not. Kids will go home from this lesson wondering and worrying if they are born wrong. That's going to lead to bad mental health. Next week how many will say they're transgender? Some may so joyfully because they've never fitted in, they've been gender non-conforming in some way. But changing to the opposite gender, or sex is not the answer. What does it mean "who you are , how you feel as a person"? Is that based on if I like something- a toy or item of clothing or how i play, if I "cry like a girl" like my dad tells me, or not, if I like glitter, pink, and princesses or not? If I like a flowery scarf but my dad said it was for girls? If I'm a girl but I like to play with the boys because they like playing outside like climbing trees and playing in mud? If I'm a boy but I don't like that? If I boy/girl like cars, dolls, dinosaurs, make up, dresses, dancing, rough play or not? Etc. Etc. And if people tell me "that's for girls!" Or " that's for boys"! Because that's how society conditioned them to think too. If I like some boy stuff and some girl stuff am I neither a boy or girl? What am i? Am I both? This is scary.
STOP THIS SEXIST HARMFUL NONSENSE. BREAK THE CYCLE. BOYS AND GIRLS CAN LIKE WHATEVER THEY WANT. THEY ARE STILL BOY OR GIRL AS THEY WERE BORN. Stop confusing children and leading them to a pathway of anxiety, misery, medication, surgery, sterility, suicide, by making them uncertain of who they are and making them think they were born wrong. You are introducing this stuff to any child you teach this to and confusing them. At school they should be taught to break stereotypes, we could do anything, boy or girl. Transgender or transsexual as we used to call it in UK used to be if someone had gender dysphoria which was severe distress or discomfort with their body being the sex it was, I heard stories of boys wanting to chop their penis off and insisting they were a girl, for reasons unknown or various, treatment was to alleviate this distress or discomfort and if necessary transition - meds/surgery, which if not last resort, was certainly not first resort. ( there was also transvestite or cross dresser who liked to dress up for fun or sexual fetish - I guess they've been amalgamated into "transgender", as have "masculine women", and "feminine men" according to stonewall transgender umbrella) ANYWAYS, What you are doing here is asking children to choose if they are a boy or girl based on how they feel, which can only be based on regressive gender stereotypes which our society attributed and conditioned to their sex. We can change that, by breaking the stereotypes..not by saying they need to change themselves. This is going to make children think they are transgender when they are not. Why can people not see they are causing more problem than solving. It's almost like someone or some company will be benefiting from this? Who stands to benefit or make money? Medical companies? Tech? Where did all this suddenly come from? Why are these philosophical theories being taught as fact to kids? Why this social engineering to keep kids in gender stereotype boxes?

It is about provision for your specific cohort aimed at their understanding.
Year 6 class one year may be very young and not ask searching questions. Another Year 5 class may have questions that need answering.

You answer the question a child genuinely asks. You might say what do you think, and might get several answers. It is about arriving at an answer that the children understand about respect and equality but that we all make different life choices.

You might like to do some research into No Outsiders and take a look at some of the lesson plans.

I know 3 people with kids at primary schools who use 'no outsiders'. No mention of trans at all. Kids are in Reception, year 3, 5 and 6. Some of the parents would complain if their kids were told they could change sex, 1 has become very GC and made a point of asking to view all the material used in these lessons. Does 'no outsiders' get used at secondary school? Maybe they mention it there.

Thank you Pencils in Space and other contribtors for the links and info and also to person who posted this important discussion topic.

You answer the question a child genuinely asks. You might say what do you think, and might get several answers. It is about arriving at an answer that the children understand about respect and equality but that we all make different life choices.
You see, this is the thing that would bother me as a teacher.
-Miss, can you actually turn from a boy into a girl then?
-Erm (shit, what should I say, I might get the sack if I say the wrong thing). What do you think Gemma?
-Yeah Miss, I think you can. I’ve seen it on YouTube so it must be true.
-Well, Gemma, I’m afraid we can’t believe everything we see on YouTube. In fact (oh, fuck it), it’s a scientific impossibility to actually change from a boy into a girl or vice versa. No matter what you do, whether you wear a skirt, makeup or make physical changes to your body, you’ll still remain your original sex. It’s something we’ve all known forever.
(Awaits being reported for wrongthink, and dressing down in Head’s office).
I’m primary, so it probably won’t happen to me, unless I get a transgender child in my class at some point. It’s no doubt a possibility for secondary teachers.

It is definitely happening in primary. Equali-teach, Mermaids, Stonewall and all sorts of outside agencies being invited to primary schools. The schools that are all too eager to tick boxes for ofsted and ignore parents justified fears for their children's wellbeing. I am wary, rather than reassured by a school achieving a high ofsted rating.

Loving your humour by the way Nuffaluff

What also really worries me is that the extremism of the "BTQ" is making the "LG" seem benign. This is not the case

" youth who begin experimenting with sexuality and same-sex attraction (SSA) are not being given sufficient information about the SSA lifestyle. The deliberate withholding of such information by medical and psychological professionals goes against the professional requirement to present medical and psychological risks of associated with certain behaviors. The intent of this article is to show, through research, that youth who engage in the SSA lifestyle are at-risk for a host of medical complications necessitating informed consent by professionals responsible for a given youth’s well-being. The failure to provide the information is a breach of ethics."

www.childhealing.com/articles/ssayouth-if-imh.php

It’s kind of funny, the whole thing, except it really isn’t.

It is about arriving at an answer that the children understand about respect and equality but that we all make different life choices.

This is all very vague and fluffy and doesn't answer the question at hand.

Are schools or are schools not telling children the fact that they cannot ever change sex. That it isn't possible. That if anyone has told them different that person is wrong?

Hi Arnold

The trouble is in some schools the avoidance of the "nuts and bolts" in favour of celebrating diversity. Like the Pied Piper. It's all "rainbows" and "pride" and other euphemisms .

Pied Piper indeed, and a hefty dollop of Emperor's New Clothes with a touch of Little Red Riding Hood for good measure.

I'd rather small children were taught the age old lessons of these tales than 'euphemisms' about 'diversity'.

I am wary, rather than reassured by a school achieving a high ofsted rating

When I was flyering for FairPlay for Women I met a mother and daughter, the daughter was a recent university graduate. She told me that so far, the young women undergrads were resisting having their toilets turned ‘gender neutral’ but that the uni was determined to do it at some point, because without it they couldn’t get ‘Stonewall Champion’ status.

I think this has a great video "course" on how to approach your child's school:

www.sreislamic.org/

Stonewall! - the word means the opposite of dialogue.

Thanks for putting me onto fairplayforwomen

Well done on your leafletting and outreach DuMondeB

What is the obsession with 'Stonewall Champion' status?

Stonewall are, and always have been, a lobby group. There is nothing wrong with lobby groups per se, but the public sector have a remit that requires political neutrality. I'm a public sector worker and we are not allowed to even have a collection tin for the Poppy Appeal as it is seen as political, so why in schools do certain issues have the normal rules thrown out of the window?

Regarding lobby groups and schools, note Rowdy Woman's informative post from last year:

**The law and guidance:
Most transgender organisations are political pressure groups in that they try to influence public policy in the interest of their particular cause. Schools are constrained by the duty to comply with Sections 406 and 407 of the Education Act 1996 which forbids ‘the promotion of partisan political views…’
There is also a requirement found in the Prevent Duty and Teaching Controversial Issues for Schools which places a duty on schools to “secure that where political issues are brought to the attention of pupils… they are offered a balanced presentation of opposing views”. So groups trying to influence policy about say changing the use of sex segregated spaces in schools, changing school policy, changing language used in schools etc are acting as political pressure groups and if they are working with pupils there MUST be a balance of views.

Trans pressure groups present themselves as dealing with bullying, vulnerability etc but in addition to this, they are politically influencing school policy and practice - and there are laws about this. It's just that nobody has picked up on this as they only 'see' the initial anti bullying advice**

TrishTeres there is nothing extreme about the B. Along with the L and the G it is benign.

As I said in an earlier post:

The problem in the UK at the moment is that this is being framed as a battle between religious parents (especially muslims) and enlightened educators keen to redress the damage of s28.

We need to change this narrative because there are lots of very solid reasons - child safeguarding, women and girls' rights, LGB rights etc. - to resist what's happening in schools. Reasons that have nothing to do with religion, homophobia, right wing bla bla.

“cabbageking
It is about provision for your specific cohort aimed at their understanding.
Year 6 class one year may be very young and not ask searching questions. Another Year 5 class may have questions that need answering.”
This in my opinion is exactly the problem. My children are not part of some homogeneous “cohort” they are individuals. I don’t want them being swept along with ideas around this that I do not agree with. I don’t think schools are qualified to deliver this information.
@AutumnRose1 re the survey parents have to opt out. So a message went out to parents when the first charity came on board saying you can opt out. I didn’t out of nosiness. I’ve decided we should do though.

Also today a friend told me about the school she works in where a child under 8 is using the girls loo. When he wants to though because he believes he is a boy sometimes and a girl sometimes. Some of the girls have mentioned it to the staff- as in -“Miss- x is in the girls toilets and he shouldn’t be.” So right away there we have a group of girls who are being told to go against their instincts. At what point do those girls then get told actually you are entitled to your personal sex based spaces for your privacy and dignity if they don’t learn this right away? And at what point does the boy get told you can’t do that anymore because your now 8 and we must sex segregate mood by law at school? Because If this does pop up as a subject for discussion in his class how on earth should a teacher handle it?

Sorry that should say “you” not mood.

What is being taught in schools regarding transgender ideology?

Bollocks according to my kids. Got the sex change nonsense going on both at primary and secondary school where we are (from my recollection, secondary started first). Heavily reinforcing sex role stereotypes, because it is impossible to push the narrative of everyone having an innate gender identity without resorting to stereotypes. So, it's all about what real boys and girls do and if you like even just some of the things stereotypically associated with opposite sex, you might be trans.

Teachers are required to tie themselves in knots in delivering this nonsense, because they are also required to teach kids that sex role stereotypes and sex stereotypes are harmful.

This is also having a detrimental impact on other parts of the curriculum - for instance the part which stipulates that children must learn the difference between fact and opinion, and critical thinking skills. Or Religious and Moral Education where they are learning that true respect and tolerance mean to accept others have their own views and beliefs that may not align with yours.

This is of course impossible when you are also indoctrinating them in an ideology that frames dissent as unkindness, literal violence or even criminal as the BBC claimed in its 100 genders piece.

. Heavily reinforcing sex role stereotypes, because it is impossible to push the narrative of everyone having an innate gender identity without resorting to stereotypes. So, it's all about what real boys and girls do and if you like even just some of the things stereotypically associated with opposite sex, you might be trans.

I'd be naming and shaming any school that was doing this. Have you spoke to the school? Change schools, there's plenty that are not doing this. My kids schools are the total opposite and they're just normal state primary and secondary schools. No mention of trans issues at all, not that I'd mind if it was done well. Both sexes encouraged in all subjects, no stereotype shit at all. I have a son and a daughter. Schools that my friends and family's kids go to are like the schools my kids attend. I've never come across one that's actually doing what you're saying, but I'd complain if I did.

If you're in Wales, there's currently a consultation about continuing to allow parents to withdraw their children from RSE lessons.

gov.wales/ensuring-access-full-curriculum

Consultation closes on 28th November.

Looks like there's nothing to stop people from outside of Wales responding to that, OldCrone.

Although I'm absolutely completely GC and really don't think Primary schools should be touching this with a barge pole, kids are increasingly aware of this, if not from a child in school then certainly from tv. Cbbc for example.

It's being normalised.

I do believe that schools need to explain as simply and neutrally as possible. Emphasise rarity. And then draw a line. And very firmly tackle gender stereotypes and prejudice, homophobia, acceptance, difference, and many other areas around the EA.

Unfortunately, without proper official guidance, there are going to be schools with especially woke teachers who will make a big thing of it.

Safe School alliance and transgender trend are trying to keep schools from the ott wokeness.