What is being taught in schools regarding transgender ideology?

[AugustL]

Hi, is there a thread being kept to record what is being taught in schools in the U.K. Or elsewhere?

I saw this on Twitter. It's in a school in America. For 4th grade which is apparently 9 yrs old.

mobile.twitter.com/teacher2teacher/status/1186749900911869952

I just thought, kids are going to be confused. They are going to make children think they are transgender when they're not. Kids will go home from this lesson wondering and worrying if they are born wrong. That's going to lead to bad mental health. Next week how many will say they're transgender? Some may so joyfully because they've never fitted in, they've been gender non-conforming in some way. But changing to the opposite gender, or sex is not the answer. What does it mean "who you are , how you feel as a person"? Is that based on if I like something- a toy or item of clothing or how i play, if I "cry like a girl" like my dad tells me, or not, if I like glitter, pink, and princesses or not? If I like a flowery scarf but my dad said it was for girls? If I'm a girl but I like to play with the boys because they like playing outside like climbing trees and playing in mud? If I'm a boy but I don't like that? If I boy/girl like cars, dolls, dinosaurs, make up, dresses, dancing, rough play or not? Etc. Etc. And if people tell me "that's for girls!" Or " that's for boys"! Because that's how society conditioned them to think too. If I like some boy stuff and some girl stuff am I neither a boy or girl? What am i? Am I both? This is scary.
STOP THIS SEXIST HARMFUL NONSENSE. BREAK THE CYCLE. BOYS AND GIRLS CAN LIKE WHATEVER THEY WANT. THEY ARE STILL BOY OR GIRL AS THEY WERE BORN. Stop confusing children and leading them to a pathway of anxiety, misery, medication, surgery, sterility, suicide, by making them uncertain of who they are and making them think they were born wrong. You are introducing this stuff to any child you teach this to and confusing them. At school they should be taught to break stereotypes, we could do anything, boy or girl. Transgender or transsexual as we used to call it in UK used to be if someone had gender dysphoria which was severe distress or discomfort with their body being the sex it was, I heard stories of boys wanting to chop their penis off and insisting they were a girl, for reasons unknown or various, treatment was to alleviate this distress or discomfort and if necessary transition - meds/surgery, which if not last resort, was certainly not first resort. ( there was also transvestite or cross dresser who liked to dress up for fun or sexual fetish - I guess they've been amalgamated into "transgender", as have "masculine women", and "feminine men" according to stonewall transgender umbrella) ANYWAYS, What you are doing here is asking children to choose if they are a boy or girl based on how they feel, which can only be based on regressive gender stereotypes which our society attributed and conditioned to their sex. We can change that, by breaking the stereotypes..not by saying they need to change themselves. This is going to make children think they are transgender when they are not. Why can people not see they are causing more problem than solving. It's almost like someone or some company will be benefiting from this? Who stands to benefit or make money? Medical companies? Tech? Where did all this suddenly come from? Why are these philosophical theories being taught as fact to kids? Why this social engineering to keep kids in gender stereotype boxes?

Just checking you're still with us Lord? MN doesn't always tell FWR posters when they've had posts deleted.

I don't know what you posted, but I'm confident it would be as astute as ever.

Glad that link is useful for people. When I first saw it back in August it was like a lightbulb going off. So many of the descriptions fit with ROGD.

I do wonder if, as described in the article, the “software problem” is due to the massive rewiring the teenage brain goes through during puberty - causing confusion and hysteria. It’s interesting that these mass hysteria outbreaks are more common in strictly religious societies and I wonder if our more secular society has resulted in an alternative version that has pushed teenagers to the “new religion” of social media/the internet for answers.

We all know how scary and confusing puberty can be and offering a magic “this will fix all your problems” solution (transition) is cult like and very easy to see how tempting it might be.

My children’s primary school had a mental health awareness charity start working with them recently. A week or so ago another separate mental health charity came to the school to do some work shops with parents and children. I went to the paren one- it was very very basic. They have had previous surveys done with the children which I have had serious misgivings about. Leading questions about what the children may be “anxious” about. They were asked lots of questions which honestly lead to parents saying their kids were worried about issues that they had previously been oblivious to. The most recent survey opened with
“Are you a girl?
Boy?
Rather not say.”
“Rather not say.” Has led me to think the school needs a copy of the t tra msg ended trend schools pack in large print pronto.

Sorry a copy of the transgender trend schools pack.

I don’t think schools should be dealing with sex education except from a Biological point of view. Because I don’t think they are qualified. I don’t think they should be dealing with mental health issues for the same reason. Just stick to the remit. These are serious and far reaching subjects with life changing consequences when they are administered by armatures.

I can’t type tonight.

I don't have children but the things I hear from my friends make me wonder about the mental health "services" in schools.

That's not a flat out criticism; my goddaughter was in a car accident and the school counsellor helped a lot.

But actually sending questionnaires round, rather than dealing with problems that are brought to the service, seems a bit odd.

Well worth searching Sex Change Regret. Also look up recent Tavistock clinic news stories.

@AutumnRose1 I think the questionnaire system is deeply flawed. It creates worries and anxiety in children. These worries and anxieties then need to be addressed by the councilling service. I can’t decide if it’s just a sad side effect of unprofessional individuals or if it’s a bit of a racket. We were at a large chain holiday park in the U.K. this summer. They had a shop with a brand of teddies a bit like the build-a-bear toys. They had about 6 different characters, each one had a large poster with a picture of the character over the top. One was a pink elephant in the more “girly/princess” styling section called “ANXIOUS ELEPHANT” anxiety and hysteria is literally being sold to kids. Especially girl children.

even I was diagnosed with anxiety and depression about 20 years ago. Meds allow me to have a normal life. But the amount of commercial benefit being derived from it, aside from pharma, is immense. I also think it's grown exponentially in the last few years.

Also, are all kids just being asked to fill these in? I wonder what happens if they just hand it back and say "I'm fine, don't need to fill this in".

There's a conference in London on Sunday (27/10/19): 'Inventing the Transgender Child, a new Sex Education?'

Speakers: Heather Brunskell-Evans, Maureen O’Hara, Michele Moore, Stephanie Davies-Arai, Susan Matthews, Charlie Evans, Tracy Shaw.

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/inventing-the-transgender-child-a-new-sex-education-conference-27-oct-19-tickets-69553718043

There are still some £15 tickets left.

The problem in the UK at the moment is that this is being framed as a battle between religious parents (especially muslims) and enlightened educators keen to redress the damage of s28.

We need to change this narrative because there are lots of very solid reasons - child safeguarding, women and girls' rights, LGB rights etc. - to resist what's happening in schools. Reasons that have nothing to do with religion, homophobia, right wing bla bla.

Also, enlightened educators are so frightened of repeating the past that they have allowed themselves to be captured by queer theory which is a million miles away from 'some children have two mums'.

www.transgendertrend.com/no-outsiders-queering-primary-classroom/

I think Fekko's been permanently penalised due to this thread...

Wait, what? As in banned?

There's mention of it on the Little Brown Dog MIA thread. The Always thread also has a number of deletions for using a traditional word for a male (rhymes with baddie). I'm repeating this as it seems to be ruthless today.

Posters aren't always getting notice of the deletions from MN as per the guidelines.

I swear, some posters have multiple eyes and multiple screens like Sherlock in Elementary 😂

I haven't seen those threads but have realised I saw a word earlier that I didNt understand....I nearly asked what it meant but didn't because I feared looking like an idiot. Now I think it might be the reason for the post going so I could have been barred for asking a genuine question!

Primary children are taught people are the same and yet different.
Colour of hair, skin, beliefs etc in broad sense.

Families are different. Some live with grand parents, some just one parent, some are extended.

Everyone deserves respect and should be treated equality.

The focus is on what is a good relationship and a not so good relationship, be it friendships, marriages, peer pressure or bullying.

The curriculum is about safeguarding more than sex.

No problem with any of that cabbageking, but are they also taught that they can change sex?

Not really in primary.

They are taught it is ok to be different. The focus is more on relationships and keeping safe to encourage discussion. If someone asked a question about changing sex then you discern what is appropriate and if some adjustment is needed to the next lessons.
It would depend on that cohort. Every thing is quite broad.

If someone asked a question about changing sex then you discern what is appropriate and if some adjustment is needed to the next lessons.

They don't just tell them that it's impossible then?

The focus is more on relationships and keeping safe to encourage discussion.

You might like to do some research into No Outsiders and take a look at some of the lesson plans. Pencils left a helpful link above.

Safe Schools alliance have some excellent resources.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/resources-2/factsheets/

Equality & Diversity policy 'red flags':

1. ONLY CITING LOBBY GROUPS AS A SOURCE OF EXPERTISE
2. REFERRING TO ‘GENDER’ AS A PROTECTED CHARACTERISTIC
3. NOT MENTIONING EQUALITY IMPACT ASSESSMENTS
4. ADVOCATING CONFIDENTIALITY FOR TRANSGENDER PUPILS
5. PROMOTING MIXED-SEX OR ‘GENDER NEUTRAL’ TOILETS
6. USING EMOTIVE SUICIDE STATISTICS TO PUT PRESSURE ON SCHOOLS
7. SUGGESTING THAT ALL GENDER NONCONFORMITY INDICATES A CHILD IS TRANS
8. MAKING SCIENTIFICALLY INACCURATE ASSERTIONS REGARDING BIOLOGY
9. DELIVERING SESSIONS TO PUPILS WITHOUT SCHOOL STAFF PRESENT

10. NEGLECTING TO DISCLOSE THE NEGATIVE SIDE EFFECTS OF TRANSITION