does everybody hate the term womxn? Or is it just me?

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The Guardian usually provides me with a shot of instant rage, and, reliable as ever, the front page of the review (my dh's) had the words 'what a time to be a black, british, womxn writer'.
Does anyone else feel , like, a big 'fuck off' when they read that?

I'd think it was a typical Grauniad typo.

I'd like to think so but I've just looked it up (I had never heard of it). It is defined on Wikipedia as 'an alternative term for the English language word women which has been regularly in use since 2015 to explicitly include transgender women and women of color.'

How are 'women of color' not embraced by the word 'women'? It's a term that denotes sex, not ethnicity!

"Regularly in use" is a bit optimistic.

can't quite fathom the level of clueless, unconscious racism it would take to blithely assert that the word woman doesn't include women who're not white so we need a new word to include them

Abso-fucking-luteley!

With added handy twist that it gives the impression that its what feminists actually thought

"Regularly in use" is a bit optimistic

Optimistic or a lie, optimistic or a lie...let me think 🤔

to explicitly include transgender women and women of color.
These are the people it is regularly used by. Those who were confused about women of colour's sex, and those who are deal with transwomen and women as a single group.

So not most people or most feminists.

Thing is, I have no idea if I've ever met anyone who uses it in real life because I still have no idea how they'd pronounce it. Maybe someone tried to say it and I just thought they were drunk and slurring a bit.

I notice Shittypedia have prioritised transgender women in their definition of this nonsensical string of letters.
So not only are we not women, we are then being placed third and below the XY variety.

If in a particular circumstance women choose to include Trans women, that is up to them. If they choose to differentiate that from a group of ‘women’ by using ‘womxn ‘ isn’t that also up to them?

I see this word used by lots of black Women’s groups where women feel that intersectionality is more important to them because they have not always felt fully included by a largely white feminist movement.

Just pronounce it women.

We don’t need to huff and puff like people did when Ms was introduced and declared unpronounceable, made up, not real etc.

Ms was just as stupid. The solution was to call all women either Miss or Mrs irrespective of marital status, not invent another non-word.

I can see the argument for it if one were talking collectively about women and transwomen.

I cannot think of any situation where I would be talking of women and XY trans people. Women including XX trans people sure, but the word women already includes all women. Any situation relevant to both women and XY trans people would also be relevant to all other men and we already have a word for women and men collectively, people.

Yet again the woke stasi have come up with a completely unnecessary term that is based on racism and misogyny and serves absolutely no useful purpose.

Of course the Graun love it.

Do they have "mxn" as well or is it the usual one-way street?

Which black women's groups Camping? Could you name a few?

Including males in the category "woman" is definitely something women need to resist, and it's not "huffing and puffing" as you put it.

Woman isn't just a term of the women's movement, it's a word used by the whole of the human race in every single language and it means the same in each. Every one of us came from a woman, the female kind, which is the only kind of course.

Ms is rather a good term, as it's a public statement that you're likely a feminist. I use it.

I hate it. It’s like ’woman’ but literally crossed out.

The x is definitely symbolic. It's deliberately unpronouncable too, replacing a vowel with a consonant.

Karabair beat me to it, but I also would like to see some links, Camping.

You are suggesting this is a term used mainly by groups of women of colour. Are these groups aware that their inclusive term is being co-opted by transactivists to imply that males who transition are just as much women as women of colour?

How would they feel about that, I wonder.

Camping, I’ve not come cross any black women’s groups who have felt so excluded by white women that they would deny their own biology and team up with white men who believe they are white women.
Can you point me in the right direction - and while you’re at it, let me know where the land of make believe is too.

The students at Goldsmiths College use "womxn". They hate women.

Black women have used the term "womanist" rather than "feminist" as they have seen feminism excluding black women and centering white women's interests.

Maybe that's what Camping is thinking about.

I haven’t read the Guardian article but it surely must be referring to Bernadine Evaristo, who has just jointly won the Booker prize.
Her book, Girl, Woman, Other tells the story of about 15 different black women living in Britain and it’s great. I loved it because it’s entertaining, the characters are brilliant and I learned a lot from it.
At the beginning of her book she has a dedication which I can’t quite remember but it’s something like ‘to all the women and the wimmin

This entire nonsense about feminism excludes black women is made up TRA bollocks in an attempt to equate genuine black oppression with claimed trans oppression. It is beyond ridiculous.

How about 'womxxn' and 'womxyn'?

The Guardian really has lost it. They despise their own readers so much that they've turned off comments on nearly all articles. The paper knows its readers do not agree with its stance on so many things.

sorry, posted too early!
It includes the word ‘womxn’

Karabir, I can understand the reasoning behind womanist.
In my experience feminism does exclude ethnic minority women and Islamic women- I see cultural norms playing a large part in this; we aren’t freely accepted in western society even when we conform, it’s not wholly a feminist issue.

According to Wikipedia it has only been used since 2015.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womxn
I searched for mxn there too but the result was "Mexican peso"