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Liz Truss speaks in support of single sex spaces

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teawamutu · 17/10/2019 20:20

Did I miss something? Am I dreaming?

https://twitter.com/DawnButlerBrent/status/1184786081356636160?s=17

Oh, and Dawn Butler Brent's an idiot. But we knew that.

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OhHolyJesus · 17/10/2019 20:25

I'm sorry, did an equalities and women minister just say single - sex? Does this one actually know what a women is?

Bloody hell, we must have slipped into a parallel universe...

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teawamutu · 17/10/2019 20:27

Awaiting independent confirmation, Holy.

Shit, this might mean I have to vote Tory. I did say my vote would go to the party that knows what I am.

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nettie434 · 17/10/2019 20:28

I’ve watched that twice because it was so cheering. Liz Truss is right - we can’t change the GRA without sorting out how to ensure single sex spaces can still be enforced when necessary.

ThePurported · 17/10/2019 20:34

But does Liz Truss believe that people can change sex?
Maria Miller is all for protecting single-sex spaces, but she also happens to believe that women's single-sex spaces should be accessible to some males because TWAW.
Labour have completely lost the plot on this one.

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teawamutu · 17/10/2019 20:36

Mmm. She did very clearly say transgender people and vulnerable women though, didn't she? I'm retaining a shred of optimism.

Incidentally, the ratio on that twitter thread is a thing of beauty.

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Noflora · 17/10/2019 20:41

Does anyone know who the lady on LT's right is? She said Hear Hear in support of Liz Truss's words.

When Boris was first chosen PM MN pointed out he wanted feedback, so I gave him my pithy opinion. Perhaps many others did the same. Unfortunately I am now inundated with begging mails for funds with nauseating letters from the various top Tories. Having sworn I'd never vote Tory in the future I may reconsider if this is policy and Corbyn is the alternative.

Noflora · 17/10/2019 20:43

Dawn Butler clearly thinks she was excluding Transgender in that speech. Surely if she wasn't she'd have clarified?

GCAcademic · 17/10/2019 20:51

Does anyone know who the lady on LT's right is? She said Hear Hear in support of Liz Truss's words.

I think it's Victoria Atkins. She has previously voiced concern about the huge increase in girls identifying as boys, which went down as well as you might expect with the TRAs and Woke Twitter.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 17/10/2019 20:51

I think the lady on her right is Victoria Atkins

Noflora · 17/10/2019 20:52

Thank you both.

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teawamutu · 17/10/2019 21:02

Torn between excitement, and utter fury that I am excited about this. It's fucking pitiful.

And of course its just Dawn Butler got carried away. Apologies Dawn (although you really are still a useful idiot on this matter).

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MrsSnippyPants · 17/10/2019 21:24

Does anybody know exactly when this was said? I know Butler tweeted about it around noon. When does Hansard release transcripts?

howonearthdidwegethere · 17/10/2019 21:28

@MrsSnippyPants

Today's Hansard is up:

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2019-10-17/debates/FF1068CD-FF2B-40E6-936C-047350D7C906/GenderRecognitionAct2004

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teawamutu · 17/10/2019 21:34

As I have said, I completely condemn violence against trans people, and we and the Home Office are doing a lot of work to combat it, but I think it is completely wrong to conflate that with a complex piece of legislation that we need to get right. There are serious concerns about single-sex spaces and ensuring that vulnerable women are protected, and we should get the legislation right rather than rushing into things.

I am afraid that the hon. Lady is trying to make this into a political football. What I am interested in is making the right decisions for the people of Britain so that we have proper protection for transgender people and also ensure that we protect our single-sex spaces.

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Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 17/10/2019 21:51

we should get the legislation right rather than rushing into things

Yesssssssssss.

Wheat2Harvest · 17/10/2019 21:55

Perhaps a solution would be to take the 'Ladies' and 'Gents' pictures off the door and replace them with signs reading 'XX' and 'XY'.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 17/10/2019 22:02

Unbelievable that this is the first time (apart from DD) that we've heard an MP in the HoC saying anything in favour of sex segregated spaces. Normally it's "where else you like access to gentlemen?"

Michelleoftheresistance · 17/10/2019 22:03

so that we have proper protection for transgender people and also ensure that we protect our single-sex spaces.

That is absolutely something I would get behind.

I am absolutely in favour of creating more spaces, additional provision, ensuring that no one ever has to be in a space where they feel vulnerable, unsafe, where their privacy and dignity is at risk. I'm absolutely in favour of trans people not having to use facilities for a sex they don't feel comfortable being a part of, and having their choice and feelings recognised. There just has to be maintenance of single sex spaces for women in addition, and the courage to put down a line that no one changes sex, and single sex provision is not something that can be identified into in all situations as this harms women and girls.

This will always be the sticking point, it's going to be a very difficult boundary to put down and hold to now. Up to this point it's been the case of 'we will maintain single sex spaces BUT people can be any sex they like' in an attempt to sound like they're not throwing women under the bus. I hope Liz Truss means what it sounds like she means.

Michelleoftheresistance · 17/10/2019 22:09

oh and also 'only people with a GRC but we'll be handing them out by the bucketload'.

Honestly the third spaces solution is the only one that recognises everyone and all situations, all needs. Except the hardest one which is the validation part.

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teawamutu · 17/10/2019 22:09

Agree completely, Michelle. Safety, privacy and dignity for all. (and 'validation' to be ditched as a concept any legislation could conceivably be based on).

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cwg1 · 17/10/2019 22:28

Oh,my goodness! Wonderful, wonderful news!! Well done, WELL DONE, all you fabulous women for never, never giving up.

Sisters and vipers all!!

scottishbride · 17/10/2019 22:47

Can we contact her directly if she’s not our MP? In a supportive, thank you so much kind of way. I’m not on Twitter

Lumene · 17/10/2019 23:22

Yes definitely she deserves huge thanks for daring to speak the truth in a measured and sensible way.

Datun · 17/10/2019 23:29

What I am interested in is making the right decisions for the people of Britain so that we have proper protection for transgender people and also ensure that we protect our single-sex spaces.

Isn't it telling that being fair to both trans people and women sends the genderists into a fury.

Nothing short of complete colonisation will do.

OccasionalKite · 17/10/2019 23:42

scottishbride:
Can we contact her directly if she’s not our MP? In a supportive, thank you so much kind of way. I’m not on Twitter

Send her a nice postcard or greetings card through the post!

I remember a few months ago, a Scottish woman politician said something very sensible and based in reality; and lots of women sent her lovely cards in support, which she displayed in her office!

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