Posie Parker Interview

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Is anyone else aware that Posie is doing an interview with controversial youtuber, j.f. gariepy? didn't expect to see that...

I truly don't understand the comments about respecting the opinions of the far right. I cannot respect racist, misogynistic, anti Semitic, anti Islamic, opinions.

I think you have a problem with making assumptions about what people with different political identifications than you think. You will find some of those ideas on the right but its not ubiquitous.

This is how you get people on the left calling racial minority individuals who are politically on the right racists, because they don't ever bother to try and understand how those political views are rooted.

You can also find some of those ideas on the left, so that's not a reliable guide either. "Left" and "right" as political designators aren't fundamentally about holding racist etc views.

Tbh, this is the risk you take when you associate with people who have extreme views. You run the risk that people will think you share the same beliefs.

That's laziness on their part, not something to be pandered to.

Thanks Goosefoot - you've made good points on this thread.

I think you have a problem with making assumptions about what people with different political identifications than you think.

I don't think I'm making assumptions about this man. If you Google him it's right there. I do have different views to him and I'm very glad that I do.

I don't think anyone on this thread has said they share the views of this man, tequila.

The bone of contention seems to be whether having a conversation with him means you align with his views. I believe it does not. Posie has made it clear, through her own statements, that her views do not align with his.

'Left' and 'right' are so very much defined by men, on both sides. Politics and social policy are all still so horribly biased towards men. For me, both right and left can fuck off, until they regard me, a woman (cunty type) as a full human, in control of her own life.

E.g compare the recent Gazza case (complete dismissal of the woman's experience of getting assaulted - yes, assaulted) v police involvement in men's hurt feelings because of words said on social media.

So fucking true, OccasionalKite. I think this more and more with every passing day.

Indeed. My response to the question of who I "align" with is "with women".

Women's rights are my concern, and women's release from male violence and male oppression of women.

The right has always hated me, as a woman. And I've always been lefty, all my life.

But now, the left refuse to talk to me, the left does not support me - because I am a woman; despite me voting and campaigning lefty all my life.

The left has now told me to fuck off, the left does not need me any more, because I am a woman.

E.g compare the recent Gazza case (complete dismissal of the woman's experience of getting assaulted - yes, assaulted) v police involvement in men's hurt feelings because of words said on social media

The police quite clearly did not dismiss the experience of Gazza's victim. They investigated it and passed it to the CPS who prosecuted him. The dismissal was at the hands of the jury, which I'm sure I read had a majority of women.

"With Women"

Count me in.

Stop with the fucking nitpicking. Gazza got away with assault against a woman. The woman was further degraded during the court case. Because of the fucking system that exists.

Ugh god - and Gazza apologists here just like that - do people have alerts or something?

I might have known it would be womens fault. Not Gazzas. Never the man.

Anyway - my main point, I don't trust right or left at the moment,.

Always been a lefty, all my life.

But at this time, I must talk to both sides, because of trying to secure women's rights.

And the left has given me a total fuck off, loud and clear. TWAW, no debate.

Parts of the right are, currently, at least willing to listen.

If you, personally, are pissed off about women talking with right-wingers - then for fucks sakes talk to your left-wing politicos about this, and tell the fucking left that adult human females exist.

I loved where Posie just kaughed in response, as most of what he said was really laughable. He comes across as very out of touch in the clip, and also racist. I wish sue had made her point steonger and not agreed to collaborate on tye whole 50/50 male/female.violence thing. FFS, women are simply NOT killing men at any rate never mind 2 a week. He claims meanwhile that its because the judges let the women off. FFS!

I couldn't work out quite what she was saying about, I think the Challoner case, of coercive control. Whether she was saying she didn't do a day longer than her 9 years or whatever, but them seemed to say otherwise.

Posie is not having a conversation with him. Claiming that is disingenuous. She is being interviewed by him on his you tube channel.

Are you really all saying it does not matter where you speak as long as you can "get the message out"? So a KKK rally next time then?

And christs sake I had never heard of this guy before, it takes a few minutes to discover that he is very racist and anti Semitic. Horrified to see at least one comment questioning this.

You will find some of those ideas on the right but its not ubiquitous

Can you give an example of a ubiquitous right wing position?

Left and right as political designators aren't fundamentally about holding racist etc views

What are they about then?

Women's speech is being patrolled, loud and clear.

We're not allowed to talk to men who oppose us - because of, what?

Why are women not allowed to talk to anyone they choose to talk to?

Are our "female brains" not up to the task of debating our own viewpoints with men who have repulsive opinions?

Fucking hell, some people have very poor opinions about women.

Women's speech is being patrolled, loud and clear

I agree!

Are our "female brains" not up to the task of debating our own viewpoints with men who have repulsive opinions?

Apparently our female brains aren't able to discuss the morality of a womens rights campaigner being interviewed by a woman hating loon.

Fucking hell, some people have very poor opinions about women

Agree.

UglyGlassVase

Off the top of my head, no, I can't think of one which is ubiquitous, which is rather the point. Right wing politics generally tends to work on the view that certain kinds of social systems or hierarchies will always emerge naturally, but that can mean a lot of things, it certainly doesn't mean that those basis are racial or that people who subscribe to that sort of politics are in favour of that kind of social organisation, or that people should be politically disenfranchised.

How far right you have to go to be considered "far" seems to vary according to the speaker, rather like the designator far left.

The impression I get is that Posie is arguing the case for women as a class.

Which is where I'm at, too.

So why are we not allowed to argue our point of view with male white supremacists, for example? Are some posters really saying that women should not do interviews, and argue their case, with male white supremacists? Is it because women should keep their gobs shut on politics?

Why? Why not?

Why can't we choose to debate with anyone who asks to question us?

OccasionalKite did you watch the video?

Rachel McKinnon appeared on Fox News, which has a vastly wider audience than a You-Tuber with 4000 followers and also bears a great deal of responsibility for the rise of the right in America.

Have you denounced Rachel, Early, for aligning with Roger Ailes?

Are you seriously comparing appearing on someone’s personal YouTube to Fox News?

Also, irrelevant but his YouTube has over 50,000 subscribers - not sure where you got 4,000 from.

You can find connections to racism, pedophilia, misogyny, anti-religion etc in the majority of mainstream news outlets (i’d argue you can find it anywhere) very true. But to appear on a personal channel means you are there to talk with one person, that one person will receive money and publicity as a result, so yes you will be judged on who you openly choose to speak with in this way.

As I said earlier, if Posie had challenged his viewpoints and addressed them then I’d understand why people are falling over themselves to defend it. I don’t think anyone who’s watched that video can honestly say she was there for a debate though.

and Gazza apologists

I might have known it would be womens fault. Not Gazzas. Never the man

If you are referring to me that is utter nonsense. I said nothing about it not being his fault or that it was her fault. The people to blame for the ridiculous verdict are however the 12 people , men and women, on the jury. How you twist that to being an "apologist" for him is an impressive straw man.

We're not allowed to talk to men who oppose us - because of, what?

Why are women not allowed to talk to anyone they choose to talk to?

Are our "female brains" not up to the task of debating our own viewpoints with men who have repulsive opinions?

Another straw collection there. I don't think anyone has said anything like that, but what was the point of debating anything with him? What purpose was it supposed to serve? "Getting the message out"?

I haven't watched the video- the comments on it are overwhelmingly misogynistic and sexist and barely, if at all, even referred to trans issues so I'd assume the message sailed right over his audience's head.