Transpeople and Future archeology

[doradoo]

I don't know if this has been discussed here already, but what is the trans stance on how their remains would be classified in anthropological/archeological terms. As I understand it men and women are skeletally different, so how would say a transwoman be identifiable from their remains and how would they square that circle in terms of not being identified as the male they were?

Say in a future excavation of a graveyard where documentation needs to be made, would it be assumed that a mistake had been made, and the wrong person buried in a grave — would there then need to be investigations about who was where? I've clearly been watching too many crime shows but wondered what the trans stance on this would be.

Can tell by the gold lamé purse? (Sorry couldn't resist )

Their gender ghosts will roam this mortal world causing mayhem and people will have to hire gender spirit mediums (lucrative business!) to find the correct gender identity (out of 100 so far...) for the male/female skeleton so the gender ghost can finally rest in peace in a gender neutral burial site.

I actually did argue with some woman on a Facebook group who was flapping on about people's gender identities and I said it's ultimately pointless because when you die, no one gives a shit about your identity because your skeleton will be either male or female. Didn't get much of a response to that point for some reason......
As I've said before, biology, science and reality aren't really their strong points.

Well, precisely. Which why the whole gender identity thing should be recognised for the "woo" that it is.

A TRA on social media (or worse, in real life) would come along and say "yeah, well, you know not everyone is just male or female because some people have a DSD, so you're wrong" and I can feel my self despairing already.

So don't ask a TRA about that, whatever you do, for your own sanity.

In my opinion, if a male bodied skeleton is found in a grave marked "Jennifer Caitlyn Munroe" or whatever, they'd probably work out it was a transgender male person easily enough.
But if they just dug up a random male skeleton (eg from an unmarked shallow grave or something) they'd just be trying to identify a male person who had died (after being killed by an evil terf) (which was a joke).

Archaeologists will just identify male and female. As they do now. With very occasional DSD results in DNA tests.

Failure to control and dictate other people's perceptions in all circumstances = an ongoing problem. Not least that it shows zero respect for the other person while demanding obeisance and respect from them.

There was a Viking-age skeleton assumed at first to be male because it was buried with weapons and other warrior paraphernalia. Then further examination found the skeleton was in fact female. Caused a lot of excitement and rethink about the roles of women in Viking society.

Then of course someone suggested the person might have been a transman. Because a real woman of course would never have been a warrior, and the Vikings had time for that kind of navel gazing.

Margaret Nelson was contacted by police for stating in a blog that it is obvious from skeletons whether the person was male or female (although the police later accepted they shouldn't have)

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/why-are-the-police-stopping-a-74-year-old-tweeting-about-transgenderism/

i particularly like her comment at the end of The Spectator article:

‘I’m not going to keep quiet just because some people might get a bit upset. I’m 74. I don’t give a fuck any more.’

I guess Boudica must have been a transman then.

Oh wait, she wasn't, as there was no concept of such a thing prior to the 20th century. Eunuchs, sure, castrati, yes, various terms for homosexual people in various cultures, absolutely, women who posed as men and vice versa with or without cultural sanction, aye them too. But trans? Nope, that's a very new concept. I hate the whole trying to apply modern sensibilities to the past thing.

I'm sure they will be buried with the relevant 'pronoun' button badge attached to their shroud to avoid any post-death-de-transing. Lest we ever forget.

I guess when it all comes down to it despite the various assertions and protestations we all are either male or female and that underlying biological truth can't be shaken.

I too dislike to retroactive application of trans labels to historical figures to try and justify the cause.

I was reading a twitter account of an 'inclusion' event hosted last night in London with Lil Owen appearing, and I'm sure there was a line about if you went to the British library about 80% of the women writers there would be trans (or some such guff).

They really don't have a clue about actual women and how lives were lived before they graced the planet do they?

They'll know because on the headstone it will say "Here lies a stunning and brave soul..."

followed by

look at me
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Nope, hippo, it's true. www.alzheimers.org.uk/sites/default/files/migrate/downloads/supporting_a_lesbian_gay_bisexual_or_trans_person_with_dementia.pdf
Which is curious because that doesn't seem to happen with sexuality - people don't forget they are straight or gay, only that they are trans.

Maybe not "born this way" after all?

Aye, my first thought on hearing the Alzheimers UK advice was 'well here is some very clear evidence that 'innate gender identity' is a steaming pile of horse manure'. Don't recall the trans privilege believers having much to say on that one though.

Got to page 3 - they used the C word!

I guess Boudica must have been a transman then. Oh wait, she wasn't, as there was no concept of such a thing prior to the 20th century.

You could say the same for 'gay.' Ancient Greeks were homosexula pederasts who got maried and had kids.

The other biggie in US Academia is, "Was Cleopatra Black?" She was Greek, but some people don't like that answer.

"Talk to the person about their wishes as early as possible – around
treatment and care, other needs and who they want to make decisions. Make sure these wishes are recorded, to help ensure they are met later on when the person is no longer able to make decisions"

So if you are adamant that you (in a male body) are deffo 'a woman' and become confused as a result of dementia - what the hell happens to you?

"Was Cleopatra beautiful?" apparently not...
Boudica had children and was married (to a man), sorry no trans...

vivariumvivariumsvivaria wow I had no idea about the Alzheimer's UK advice!

So LGB people obviously don't forget their sexual orientation, which is a strong indication of how innate it is and not a 'preference' or 'genital fetish' as promoted by homophobic TRA ideology.

Yet trans people can forget they are trans.... Surely if it was innate they would continue to be 'who they really are'.
Forgetting something significant like that is quite hefty proof that there isn't anything innate about it at all! How are the TRAs going to spin that one? :)

How are the TRAs going to spin that one?

Studious silence appears the reaction of choice.

Blame women?

Ha! Too right ArnoldWhatshisknickers and LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD.

This nugget of info has really pleased me. It will be quite useful in any future arguments. :)