I think I will challenge this notice seen at local hospital

[NameChangeOctober]

I saw this in the adolescent (includes under 16s) waiting room when attending a regular clinic this morning.
I mentioned it to the consultant (not his area) who suggested I email and he would pass it on, but hadn't looked at it properly himself.

I want to keep it very short and don't want to affect DS's care or the attitude of the staff towards me.

I thought I would challenge the use of "assigned at birth" and the sex chart being inappropriate (and daft)

What on earth?

Ps when you complain can you ask what penis sex is please. I've never heard of it.

So I'm showing my husband this thread and he is crying with laughter at this, decided to Google penis sex (as you do) ,Google does not know 🤷🤷

hahahahahahahaha I though you meant it was literally cold, my bad

I mean I imagine you would be somewhat aware of the fact you were sexually active and gay but yeah I see the pedantic side of things too

In fairness to you though you're not wrong about the poor understanding of sex, I just don't think that's what this poster is going for

This is such a 'Mumsnet' conversation I love it ahahahaha

Wtf us the gay sex poster trying to say?!? That has to be a mistake surely?

I wonder sometimes what they are thinking
Stop smoking sign in local hospital "whether you smoke, vape or chew, there's a stop method for you"
So I got a bit.. shirty. Rang them. "Yes I stopped smoking 3 years ago and now I vape"
"Er ok. Well done. Why are you ringing us?"
"Well your sign implies vaping is smoking and not a valid quitting method against public health England, cancer research and NHS recommendations. So I want help to quit"
They were slightly amused by my point but they got what I was saying

You do you Sharon x

You've made me laugh so much. Thank you - I was quite upset about it yesterday.
I will take the safeguarding approach and try and find official channels as well as contacting 'our' doctor to deal with it.

Please keep us updated OP.

SO a kiss and a cuddle is “gay sex”? Imagine the under 16s telling SS yes me and mom have gay sex every night at bedtime. Sometimes twice if I have a nightmare.

What the buggery bollocks is that???

"whether you smoke, vape or chew, there's a stop method for you"
So I got a bit.. shirty. Rang them. "Yes I stopped smoking 3 years ago and now I vape"
The thing is though, vaping is also an addiction, you're only doing it because you're addicted. I've seen a sign like that myself at my GP, and I think it makes the good point that there is support for people who vape and chew if they want to quit.

There's also the point that vaping isn't that much better for your health than smoking. So it's good to remind people who want to quit.

email sent - I described it as a safeguarding issue and confusing for any gender non-conforming or gay child. I pointed out how the red chart didn't make sense (I asked what penis sex is?) and that describing sex/gender being assigned was not right particularly in a medical environment.

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1181638744732049419

There is some more information about the charity behind these posters, the advice they give, and the people behind the advice on this thread on twitter.

These charities have historically good names and are trusted, but the eye seems to have been taken off the ball when it comes to what they are actually saying, the boundaries they are pushing, and where they get their advice from.

Long established charities seem to be very open to change from outside in the rush to appear with it.

(Why is it always Puppies? )

Well done NameChangeOctober. You are right to stick to the nuts and bolts of safeguarding. I hope some sense comes of it.

It is easy to get lost down the rabbit holes of where it is coming from.

SO a kiss and a cuddle is “gay sex”?
I’m having gay sex with my dog right now 😂

Both of the posters you shared are FUCKING MENTAL!

I am bisexual.
I have had sex with men and women.

Imagine being a lesbian and being told that you can have penis sex with another lesbian.

You can use a strap on which is not a penis - yes.

You can use a vibrator/dildo which is not a penis - yes.

You cannot have penis sex without a penis in your vagina.

By the same token, a man who enjoys buttplugs or a finger inserted below the equator is not gay. A penis is not being inserted into his body.

As a bisexual woman with trans friends I will say this on every relevant thread I comment on:

These people DO NOT speak for he vast majority of LGBTQ+ people. It is even more offensive to me as someone who isn't heterosexual that I am being told to submit to someone else's definition of a dick being present in my relationship.

I like dick. I sometimes want to have sex with someone who has a dick. I also like vaginas. I sometimes want to have sex with someone who has a vagina.

A penis is not a necessity for sex.

A penis IS a necessity for penis in vagina sex.

It is not. That. Complicated.

I'm sorry this shit is being peddled as PC when it's just fucking nonsensical rubbish created by people SO eager not to offend anyone that they manage to offend 99% of the population - INCLUDING LBGTQ+ people.

More people are autistic than are transgender.

Imagine being a young autistic teen, more likely to take things literally than most, and seeing that "cuddling" even between boys and girls is now "gay sex."

That sort of confusion could well happen. An autistic child we know apparently thought he must be a paedophile because he was attracted to other 14-year-olds.

That sort of confusion could well happen. An autistic child we know apparently thought he must be a paedophile because he was attracted to other 14-year-olds.

The delivery of SRE needs to be well thought through - a little boy I now thought that he had to find a girlfriend and have sex before he was 18 and was quite anxious about this. Of course, a chat with his mother soon put that right, but there are probably many less obvious pitfalls.

@FernPotts

That sort of confusion could well happen. An autistic child we know apparently thought he must be a paedophile because he was attracted to other 14-year-olds.

Oh god this just broke my heart a bit.

And it's so serious - everyone is different of course but a member of our family who is autistic can't get to grips with grey areas / there being degrees of a feeling, only absolute right and absolute wrong.

If he thought the same as the child you knew he would be at serious harm of hurting himself, it would not surprise me at all.

Haven't had time to read the whole thread but I would wait for a quiet moment and then remove it. Have a bag to put it in and quietly dispose of it. Who is in charge of putting up posters? Are they all checked to make sure they're informative or can anyone go along and stick one up?

Makes me want to make and laminate some calmly GC posters spelling out how many people who think they are trans desist over time or detransition and making clear the link between autism and lesbian-attraction and trans.