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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

It's been a year...

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KatieAlcock · 30/09/2019 17:26

... since Helen Watts and I were expelled from GirlGuiding.

My legal case is ongoing and I can't say much about that (yawn) but I have written something about my personal experiences

medium.com/@katieja/a-year-ago-i-was-removed-from-girlguiding-d72f0e9f9692

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HandsOffMyRights · 30/09/2019 17:32

Thank you - will take a read and come back.

Thanks to you and Helen for all you've achieved in that year and beyond.

And shame on Girl Guiding for enabling this shit show.

HandsOffMyRights · 30/09/2019 17:54

I'm so sorry you were both subjected to this and that girls will miss out.

The concerns you raise around safeguarding and paedophiles seeking access to children are being ignored because adults/organisations/society are being groomed - we see this on the Warwickshire RSE thread.

There are echoes of PIE infiltrating media, government and organisations.

Guiding has yet to learn. It continues down an agenda led pathway that can only be harmful to girls.

LangCleg · 30/09/2019 17:59

Capture, capture.

KatieAlcock · 30/09/2019 18:02

we see this on the Warwickshire RSE thread.
I know, I've been so shellshocked by that.
I don't have teenagers yet and I'm just praying the world comes to its senses.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 30/09/2019 18:03

I keep seeing jobs advertised for that lot. I daydream about going in there and causing merry hell (at least at the interview - rock up in a tux and fake moustache) then I read the job description and the whole ‘ooooooh we are sooooo (male) inclusive!’ drivel and think I’d better not for my own sanity.

GrimDamnFanjo · 30/09/2019 18:08

It's a crying shame that an organisation which was once proud of its single sex status has been reduced to this.
I can remember all the research around why mixed sex youth organisations were not best for girls and yet....

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 30/09/2019 19:38

It was the place where you could send girls in confidence. No boys to put them down, no boys to comment on their looks and figure, no boys to take over activities and push them aside, no boys to nab the ‘top jobs’, no boys to hassle the girls. No boys full stop.

VinandVigour · 30/09/2019 19:43

It is because of you and Helen that I am on this board. It was by sheer chance that I read the first thread (I think it was in the days when AIBU was, what shall I say, somewhat less selective!). I read all this with total incredulity, the scales fell from my eyes, and there was no going back. I’m not sure whether I should be grateful for this! 😂

I spoke to husband, daughter, son and some friends. Found support from first and last of those categories, daughter remained neutral, son didn’t speak to me properly for some months.

Some people I have spoken to have elected not to send their daughters to brownies, and even those who have still sent their daughters have thanked me for giving them a heads up. (I am sad about this because my DD loved Brownies).

I am not as brave as you are, and there are some friends that I haven’t spoken to. I am still a member of a political party that is head over heels in love with the trans movement, and I can’t speak about it there either, but I find little chinks of light where I can and just say a few words.

I so hope, as I’m sure we all do on here, that your court case is successful.
💐

divingworldchampion · 30/09/2019 19:53

Like vinandvigour I too came to this because of you and Helen Watts so I owe you a debt of thanks. I'm a brownie leader still, it makes me so angry that there's been no change.

Yeahnahyeah · 30/09/2019 19:56

Thankyou Katie. I really feel for you. So many women are behind you. We can all hold our heads high. 💪

...as an aside, does anyone know the etiquitte around the 'claps' on Medium? Does giving the maximum (20?) weaken or strengthen the intent?

KatieAlcock · 30/09/2019 20:53

I've only just found out one person can give more than one clap, this is only my second Medium article! So I'm no help!

@VinandVigour and @divingworldchampion thank you.

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RainbowsAndGlitterAndUnicorns · 01/10/2019 14:57

A year is a long time. How sad

AncientLights · 01/10/2019 16:36

It was the GG stuff that got me here on these boards too, so thank you for that Katie (& Helen).

happydappy2 · 01/10/2019 17:57

Crikey what a year it's been-hang on in there-Girl Guides should be single sex-its insane allowing men to self id as women and sleep in the same room as young girls. GG should be very ashamed.

Coldwatershock · 01/10/2019 19:32

I take my hat off to you both; you are heroes and so brave to stand up to this. People like you should be treated with great respect, given you protect and support our daughters. I'm so sorry you have to put up with this treatment.

KatieAlcock · 01/10/2019 20:10

It certainly has been an interesting year @happydappy2 - not just the Guiding things but speaking at our Lancs Resisters meeting and getting complained about at work

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