“Person who gave birth” turns out to be mother.

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www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/25/transgender-man-loses-court-battle-to-be-registered-as-father-freddy-mcconnell

It’s just not fair he says.

This isn't the same person the bbc have described as a sea horse?

What a waste of time and money. The courts have real business to be getting on with not debating Adam and Eve.

Oh thank fuck for that. I’ve been really worried about the outcome of this judgement. Hopefully they can come to terms with the fact that they have birthed a beautiful child and take some pride in being a mother. It’s not an identity it’s a fact of life.

They could have saved a lot of words if 'sex' and 'gender' had never been allowed to be conflated.

The GRA needs reforming (if not abolishing) to make the difference clear. You can acquire a different gender, you can modify your body but you can't actually change sex.

Yes, but the judge said there “was a “pressing need” for the government and parliament “to address square-on the question of the status of a trans male who has become pregnant and given birth to a child”.

Yes, it''s the seahorse.

"McConnell’s journey to parenthood was captured in a recent feature-length documentary, Seahorse, a reference to the fish that reproduce through male pregnancies."

Bit unfair on the child. The birth certificate is their document, not the parents. I'm glad the 'father' didn't win this.

Thanks
I didn't want to click on the link

I commented on this on a Facebook page and got ripped to shreds. I tried to say that the child already had a father who had provided the sperm, but this transman would always be the child's father in life. People started accusing me of saying adoptive fathers weren't real fathers and so on. What I was trying to say, that the transman grew the child in a womb, he didn't 'father' it, someone else did. Then I was told that adopted children have two - a legal one and a biological one and I was a hater and a moron. I don't know why I bothered.

Tighnabruaich

Keep at it - you're helping these people out themselves as fucking idiots.

So common sense prevailed despite the BBC bias and huge media storm.

Yet leaving a child motherless on a birth certificate is somehow fair?

Its not appropriate from him to be recorded as "father" but I would like the birth certificate changed to record the "gestational parent".

Gets round any issues that trans men may have with the term "mother", but more importantly ensures that the person who gestated the baby is always recorded on the birth certificate in cases of adoption or surrogacy.

Alarming how little the rights / needs of the child feature in the coverage compared with the demands of the adult.
We really are going backwards to a grim place where children are seen but not heard.

I would like the birth certificate changed to record the "gestational parent"

Or we could just say 'mother'

Gets round any issues that trans men may have with the term "mother"

Or they could just get over themselves

It’s not appropriate from him to be recorded as "father" but I would like the birth certificate changed to record the "gestational parent".

Would you? As long as you want that just for trans men. I’m a woman and a mother and want that recorded on my dcs birth certificate,

Are you also going to record the father as “sperm donor”.

has lived as a man for several years but retained his female reproductive system and gave birth

I mean really...

The person who gestated the baby

That'd be the mother then.

See as an adoptee I'm quite keen on birth certificates recording the truth.

I know who my adopted parents are, and call/ed them Mum and Dad. Nothing about my birth certificate diminishes their roles in any way. It just records details of my birth parents.

This is the right outcome. Only a Mother can carry and give birth to child, just because said Mother prefers to live their life presenting to the world as a man, they are still the Mother. Facts are important. The GRA has created a legal fiction which needs to ironed out very quickly, men should not be legally recognised as women when they are not. They can have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment but that does not make them the opposite sex.

Can we start calling fathers “ejaculators” on the birth certificate because it’s every bit as offensive as “gestational carriers”

If you give birth to a baby you are the mother.

It's batshit. He's a woman who wants to live as a man but not when it comes to doing things which only women can do (menstruate, have babies...)? Talk about having your cake and eating it?! FFS.

And I've just been told 'Die, moron' - on the GUARDIAN Facebook page!

I should no more be called a gestational parent than menstrator, chest feeder, ovarian cancer haver, pregnant person etc. What a ridiculous suggestion.

@FleurNancy it's totally ludicrous! Agreed!

And I've just been told 'Die, moron' - on the GUARDIAN Facebook page!

Keep up the good work!