“Person who gave birth” turns out to be mother.

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www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/25/transgender-man-loses-court-battle-to-be-registered-as-father-freddy-mcconnell

It’s just not fair he says.

Ejaculators and gestators. There really is a very dystopian ring to those.

@Tighnabruaich I take my 🎩 off to you! A bit of a medal of honour these days.

This result shouldn't be a surprise, but I am pleased this was the decision.
Perhaps the language around menstruators/chest feeding can be reviewed. Mother may not be gender specific but it is sex specific.

Thanks for the hat and the medal. I'm not going back in though. These people are full of rage!

Just toddlers throwing a man sized tantrum. 🏅 😘

Unpopular opinion but I don't think it's a fair judgement. He should have been named as the child's parent which is gender neutral - I believe this is what was requested.

My wife is named on our daughter's birth certificate as her parent and has no biological link to her. It seems unfair that lesbian rainbow families get a fair reflection on the birth certificates but trans rainbow families don't.

But I thought these beardy Guardianista types were enlightened intellectual pacifists a higher plane?

Taking their lead from McKinnon clearly. You need to try harder to get Greasefire added....

Hurrah! This is the right outcome. I'm so relieved at this. A birth certificate is for the child, not the parent, and the child has a right to an accurate record of who its mother is. So does society in general.

It seems unfair that lesbian rainbow families get a fair reflection on the birth certificates but trans rainbow families don't

What is a rainbow family?

And as the birth certificate is a legal document for the child then ‘fair reflections’ shouldn’t come in to it, it should contain facts.

Thank goodness for some common sense at last.

I don't understand how in news reports the child in this case is referred to as boy and son, how does the transparent know the gender magic of their child? How did the registrar know what to write on the birth certificate for the child?

I love this thread title

The word for someone who gives birth to a child is mother. Not father, not parent, not gestational carrier but mother.

And that is the same for all children - no matter who they are raised by. Every child in this world was gestated by a mother.

Good question MrsWednesdayteatime! How dare everyone, including the transparent assume the gender magic of this child?!

"I don't understand how in news reports the child in this case is referred to as boy and son, how does the transparent know the gender magic of their child? How did the registrar know what to write on the birth certificate"

^This

This case is so fucking stupid and insane. I'm glad the verdict came down the way it did.

Telling a child that the person that birthed them is their father is child abuse as it is an impossibility and is demonstrably false. It is no different than coercing a child to believe any other untruth that impacts their sense of self.

The self-deception required to assert that you are a male/man (got a GRC) and then go to be inseminated for the purposes of giving birth because you have a woman's/female body screams of psychological imbalance. Newsflash, men can't have babies!!!!!! A woman had the baby, hence that person is known as "mother", it doesn't matter what gender identity games they want to play.

This mother needs to stop putting their gender feelings first and focus on the child's well-being.

P.S.A.: The court says this person is the mother i.e. the law so I have not incorrectly gendered this confused individual.

Meanwhile, nobody seems concerned about the potential harm to the foetus, caused by the Mother having elevated levels of T before IVF....is this safe for the baby?

It was hoped this case would create a legal precedent so the 'trans rainbow family' narrative, delightful though that sounds, doesn't quite fit the bill.

Why have family at all then?

My wife is named on our daughter's birth certificate as her parent and has no biological link to her. It seems unfair that lesbian rainbow families get a fair reflection on the birth certificates but trans rainbow families don't.

See, I don’t agree with this. I think birth certificates should be reliable as factual. Even if it means recording one as 'unknown'. Biological parents only - including in the case of sperm donation. Egg donation, I am less sure of my argument, and would need to think about this, but would err on treating egg/ sperm donation equally.

And as the birth certificate is a legal document for the child then ‘fair reflections’ shouldn’t come in to it, it should contain facts.

Exactly this^ the birth certificate is for the child, not for the parents. Children are not owned property they do not belong to their parents they are individual entities and have a right to be treated as such. The parents feelings are irrelevant when it comes to the birth certificate (or they should be). If a potential parent can't deal with the idea that they aren't listed on the birth certificate as they did not carry and birth or contribute genetic material (sperm) to the child then they shouldn't have a child because it isn't about the parent's feelings it's about the child's rights and autonomy as a human being.

Children have a HUMAN RIGHT to know who their birth parents are and they should always be reflected accurately on their birth certificates.

Children's human rights (once born) based in material reality always precede adult's claim to human rights based on feelings.

@ArabellaDoreenFig a rainbow family is when a child has LGBT parents.

The birth certificate would contain fact in this instance. Freddie is the child's parent. That is biologically true when in our family it isn't.

If lesbian couples have the option to list one as a parent I have no idea why trans parents are not allowed to do this.

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See, I don’t agree with this. I think birth certificates should be reliable as factual. Even if it means recording one as 'unknown'.

Once again lesbians being thrown under a bus by feminists because they have an issue with trans folk!

To be fair, the birth certificate of lesbian parents does not contain a father and names them as mother and second parent. Birth certificates do not necessarily reflect biological reality and a large number list a father who is not the biological father, ether due to not knowing, lying or sperm donation. I have no issue with this person being named as parent. Not father but parent.

Not to mention the large number of birth certificates that do not list a father at all.