“Person who gave birth” turns out to be mother.

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www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/25/transgender-man-loses-court-battle-to-be-registered-as-father-freddy-mcconnell

It’s just not fair he says.

I'm inclined to believe that if that situation arose and came to court, that it would clarify that discrimination against women is primarily based on sex not 'gender'.

The only rational way forward to make clear, workable and just legislation is to decouple sex and 'gender identity'. Repeal or substantially reform the GRA, for one thing. People should be free to have whatever 'gender identity' they wish without discrimination or prejudice - but decoupled from rights and services related to sex. Freddie should be free to be 'masculine' but there should be no pretence that Freddie is not still of the female sex.

Thank you, that’s good. Descriptions like these make it confusing to separate the two.

I didn't say he should have found a surrogate and used his eggs just that it was an option open to him especially since he felt strongly enough about his body to go through the processes to obtain a GRC.

I think that deliberately becoming pregnant after declaring that you are a man is fraudulent and makes a mockery of the GRC. He could have had a baby then went down the GRC route afterwards he conciously chose not to thereby flouting the declaration he made to live as a man.

Freddie also does not seem to have wanted to co parent with a biological man hence the need for sperm donation.

OK I’ll wade into the deep end and if I offend you, please don’t be backward in coming forward.

My life experience has meant I was at a birth, but I was neither mother or father but I was a lot more than significant than auntie or friend.

I see most of this issue as a conflict between ‘what is’ and ‘vanity’. ie there is only 1 egg provider and 1 sperm provider < this should be the ‘birth’ certificate or at the least ‘what we are made from’.

Then there’s ‘Vanity Plates’ - who wished made ‘us’. My parents were amazing. I was / am an amazing parent. Neither of these is a biological fact.

My sperm donor made me, my fathers raised me.

We need to put down vanity and realise a birth certificate is only recording an actual history.

Would you live your life as a woman and suffer the unbearable mental distress of feeling you were living a lie?

Can't have been that unbearably mentally distressed if they chose to become a mother.

Very true @ItsAllGoingToBeFine - how the hypocrisy of that fact hasn't been called out is just staggering.