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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC Bitesize is teaching children being a lesbian is about gender

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stumbledin · 20/09/2019 19:00

Not sure of the age of KS3 but this is the BBC stepping in to explain sexuality.

They even have a test to tells you you are wrong if you dont agree with gender being about sexuality.

And they have support links to LGB++++++++++ groups but nothing for young people who are heterosexual, especailly young women are being pressurised by pornified boys and men

www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/zhvbt39/articles/z6smbdm

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Michelleoftheresistance · 21/09/2019 18:11

the only way you're allowed to be exclusively attracted to women (the biological, cunt-owning kind) is to announce you're in fact a "straight transman."

Bingo.

Then you will be celebrated and allowed to define your own emotions, identity and sexual preferences and these will be respected.

surfsandterfs · 21/09/2019 21:19

Trying to go through schools for DC1 absolutely bricking it now.

Is it possible to approach the head and ask them their views on gender and sex? I've never been a fan of homeschooling but my god, I feel sick reading all this.

Morrigan6424 · 21/09/2019 21:33

As an aside, the DSM is widely criticised as being more about medicalisation and the power of pharmaceutical companies in America. So I would not take too much notice of what is included or removed from this 'auspcious' tome.

Rubidium · 21/09/2019 21:34

The outcome of all this crap is demonstrated in this film, also from the Beeb:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-49768360/discussing-pansexuality-and-non-binary-gender-identity

The young person who is the focus of the film regards themselves as being pansexual and non-binary. What I see in this film is a bisexual young woman, albeit one who is, or certainly has been in the past, unhappy and confused.

"Things like pansexuality and non-binary...do sort of deviate quite far from the norm," they say. Really? What is this 'norm', where does it come from and who dictates it?

She is dressed in the same way that I and many of my contemporaries dressed when I was 20, in the early 90s, i.e. jeans, Dr Martens, T shirt, shirt. Sometimes our hair was short, sometimes long. We drank pints of beer; bitter in my case. Yet we were all fully female young women, none of us doubted that. Blokes didn't either. And if you're gay, straight, bi: who cares?

God love her Mum, though. "I never really looked at you as being in a certain category, you were just Sophie."

CountFosco · 21/09/2019 22:55

Is it possible to approach the head and ask them their views on gender and sex? I've never been a fan of homeschooling but my god, I feel sick reading all this.

My DC are well aware of my GC views and the eldest (a gender non-conforming DD: she has short hair!!! and plays football!!!) know what you like is personality not gender, she's also very alert to gender stereotypes. I think you can inculcated them against this nonsense.

stumbledin · 22/09/2019 00:54

This must be one of the most heartbreaking things I've heard said:

"’ve spent the morning servicing a not car minded man’s vehicle. His kids were talking to me about why a girl was fixing a car because boys like cars. I said woman and girls can fix cars and enjoy it too.
And the 12 year old, who knows I like fantasy films and model making, asked if I thought I was a boy. I said no and she said her school had said girls who liked boy things were boys and said it was safe for me to say so. I said no, I’m a girl, I have a boyfriend and don’t want to be a boy. Her confusion was palpable. "

This is indoctrination. Teachers and parent should be ashamed of themselves for it to have got this far.

Trans is no longer about body dismorphia. This has become some sort of mass experiement in thought control - and it seems to be working.

If any other cult somehow got itself imbedded into a school people would be raising all sorts of complaints.

Now you can only be fully accepted into society if you publicly show your allegiance to nu-speak and turn a blind eye to consequences of that IRL.

Is it worth tryin to contact any of the teaching unions?

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Birdsfoottrefoil · 22/09/2019 00:55

The teaching unions have been assimilated into the borg

stumbledin · 22/09/2019 01:08
Angry

Its madness. I grew up in the 50s.

Nobody would have said or thought anything so reactionary.

So okay, you would maybe be seen as a bit of an outsider, but nobody would have suggested mutilating their body or insisted that people use the wrong pronouns.

Is the world going into retrograde.

What next witch trials?

Sad
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ChiefClerkDrumknott · 22/09/2019 15:06

What next witch trials?

They are already happening, except the nuspeak now calls us TERF instead of witch

Fraggling · 22/09/2019 15:28

That mostly attracted for Gay and lesbian is outrageous homophobia

What are they thinking

They aren't

Also pleased to hear I'm transgender

stumbledin · 23/09/2019 00:28

Thought I should come back and say that of course the 50s weren't perfect.

There were too many incidents when non conforming people, whether in dress, aspiration or sexuality where forcibly medically "cured".

And intersex children had terrible damage done to them.

That's why it is so hard to understand that people are now choosing what used to be a state enforced medical correction being something people are willingly choosing. Or have been brainwashed into thinking they should choose it.

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Birdsfoottrefoil · 23/09/2019 15:47

They’ve changed it!

“Gay: attracted to people of the same sex. This term is used by both men and women.

Lesbian: attracted to people of the same sex. This term refers specifically to women.”

“We may be male, but feel more comfortable thinking of ourselves as a female.

We may be a female, but feel more comfortable thinking of ourselves as a male.

When we feel this way, we are transgender.”

Birdsfoottrefoil · 23/09/2019 15:50

Thanks for getting in touch about our Learning for Life and work content.

We were sorry to hear you were unhappy with some of the wording.

We would like to assure you we worked with teachers, CCEA and curriculum experts so we felt confident in publishing the content; however as a result of user feedback like yours, we have now made some corrections.

Thank you once again for taking the time to contact us.

Kind Regards

BBC Complaints Team

Birdsfoottrefoil · 23/09/2019 15:52

Pleased to see they have called the changes “corrections”

Fraggling · 23/09/2019 15:53

Crikey

Birdsfoottrefoil · 23/09/2019 15:53

Though slightly odd that they imply I should be happy with incorrect information

Fraggling · 23/09/2019 15:53

Well done!

Birdsfoottrefoil · 23/09/2019 15:54

How long until the TRA pile on persuades them to change it back?

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 23/09/2019 16:02

Wow. Well done women of FWR!

Aaarrgghhh · 23/09/2019 16:59

Well that’s a result. I’m quite pleased actually, maybe more things can be corrected lol

OldCrone · 23/09/2019 16:59

I just got the same response as Birdsfoottrefoil.

I complained about the whole 'transgender' explanation, but they've still left most of it as it is. I questioned the sentence "We may be male, but feel more comfortable thinking of ourselves as a female."

This is what I said.

Why would a male person think of himself as a female? He would have to be extremely confused if he thought this: children learn very early in life what sex they are. Perhaps you meant to say that he was more comfortable expressing himself in a feminine way? Female is a biological state and it makes no more sense for a man to feel comfortable thinking of himself as female than it does to say he feels comfortable thinking of himself as a horse.

As I said before, I also questioned the sentence “Society expects us to act a certain way based on our sex.”

I said: In what way? If society expects that, maybe society needs to change. I thought it had, but maybe not at the BBC.

So the BBC is still showing its sexism, since it thinks it's perfectly OK for society to "expect" different behaviours from men and women. And they also think it's "natural" for someone to think that they are something they are not. I'll have to write in again.

Charley50 · 23/09/2019 17:04

I'm not happy with the changes either.

Fraggling · 23/09/2019 17:08

Better than before where Lesbisns are people who sometimes like a bit of dick

TheTestaments · 23/09/2019 17:30

Response from the BBC (have NC)

**We were sorry to hear you were unhappy with some of the wording.

We would like to assure you we worked with teachers, CCEA and curriculum experts so we felt confident in publishing the content; however as a result of user feedback like yours, we have now made some corrections.**

Birdsfoottrefoil · 23/09/2019 17:32

For children, yes I think it is a a bad description. But for adults I am in two minds. It is clear what sex they are and remain and that it is just about how someone feels. Just because someone feels more comfortable thinking of themselves in one way doesn’t mean I need to do anything. I feel more comfortable thinking of them as their sex so presumably my comfort matters too?

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