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Trudeau and double standards

87 replies

Artesia · 19/09/2019 18:04

Apparently Justin Trudeau has apologised for photos which have emerged of him with “blackface” make up. I am dying for someone to ask him why donning a costume and make up to mimic another race is offensive and worthy of apology, yet dressing up in “woman face” and demanding to be given full women’s rights should be applauded as stunning and brave.

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Saltovinegar · 19/09/2019 18:17

Totally agree.

I've just had the same rant at my husband.

jhuizinga · 19/09/2019 18:25

I was listening to the piece on R4 a little while ago and yelling exactly this point to the radio.

BarbaraStrozzi · 19/09/2019 18:30

Yup.

My distaste for Trudeau is of long standing (I think he's yet another wee woke wanker, who, when it comes to genuine liberal/left concerns, consistently sells out - women's rights, support for indigenous people, protecting the environment - he's all talk and no trousers).

But this really takes the biscuit. Please Justin, explain to us what the difference between brown face and woman face is, because I would love to know.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 19/09/2019 18:32

Didn't he already make a complete arse of himself on a trip to India?

BarbaraStrozzi · 19/09/2019 18:35

Oh god, yes, I'd forgotten about that.

Normally my hackles go up when someone starts ranting about cultural appropriation, but that really did seem like it.

MockersthefeMANist · 19/09/2019 18:37

...So really looking forward to the Indian PM's trip to Canada dressed as the Last of the Mohicans.

SmudgeButt · 19/09/2019 18:38

Compared to the twonk south of the 49th parallel I think Justin's a bit of a saint. (misguided at times of course but then he is male.)

MockersthefeMANist · 19/09/2019 18:40

Sadly, Trump broke the Twonkometer in much the same way the radiation meters at Chernobyl maxxed out.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 19/09/2019 18:49

Completely agree. If I blacked up, put on an Afro wig, a T shirt saying ‘I is black’, told everyone I ‘identified’ as black and then applied for a scholarship for BAME students, would the reaction be - “Brave and stunning! Winner of black person of the year’. Woke folk denouncing ‘white exclusionary radicals’ and any member of the black community saying that I wasn’t, er, black as a bigot? Thought not.

Knitclubchatter · 19/09/2019 18:54

JT is a puppet. His father and Jean Chrétien would have told the reporters to fuck off it was a play fgs.

nettie434 · 19/09/2019 19:28

Just came on here to splutter the same! How does he think he had the right to lecture us all on what is 'right'?

TinklyLittleLaugh · 19/09/2019 19:34

I think it was a serious error of judgement to be donning blackface in 2001. Suggests to me that he’s not a naturally liberal person. And also, quite frankly, that he’s a bit thick.

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DeNiroDeFaro · 19/09/2019 19:42

I think it was a serious error of judgement to be donning blackface in 2001. Suggests to me that he’s not a naturally liberal person. And also, quite frankly, that he’s a bit thick.

It's not that simple though is it. Blackface has only been understood to be offensive in recent years. Doesn't make it ok, but you just didn't know to even consider if it was wrong before

TinaBarrow · 19/09/2019 19:43

another wee woke wanker, who, when it comes to genuine liberal/left concerns, consistently sells out - women's rights, support for indigenous people, protecting the environment - he's all talk and no trousers

this.

Alas, I fear we're not going to get the 'women face' parallel from our mainstream media. But hopefully more people will catch on to what fucking careerist hypocrites 99% of these politicians are. Trudeau dictates to the people of Canada about racism whilst sitting on a secret personal history of being a massive racist. Fuck you, you elite of the worlds of media politics and finance.

Goosefoot · 19/09/2019 19:46

I find his fairly repellent. And he comes from a background, in terms of his educational experience, that seems to produce wankers. I often think, he must not know how he comes off to people.

However, I think that it's also the case that at the time, almost 20 years ago, the discourse around blackface was rather different than it is now.

Then it seemed, at least outside of isolated parts of academia, to really mean people mimicking African-Americans, usually for comic effect, that was seen as very problematic. You didn't hear the term "brownface" which is what a lot of the Canadian press is using in relation to this incident. And while it was becoming much more common for actors to be cast to play someone with plausibly their own ethnicity, the sense of it was a little different - it was more about making sure that marginalised groups of actors got work, and less about a taboo around playing the role of another identity. I think that's really attached to the dominance of identity politics.

At the time, I think people would have tended to think it was in bad taste, but I'm not surprised that Trudeau or those around him wouldn't have seen it in the way people are thinking of it now, looking back.

Anyway, wankers are going to wank, he's the same as he always has been and so's his party. I am far more upset with the Greens who have gone from being the only party that even attempted a traditional sort of leftism, to totally drinking the individualist liberal-progressive kool-aid.

GCAcademic · 19/09/2019 19:47

I’ve always said that he was a wolf in sheep’s clothing for claiming to be a feminist while introducing anti-woman policies. But it would have been more accurate to say that he’s a white guy in blackface, apparently.

GCAcademic · 19/09/2019 19:49

Oh, and I really hope this costs him the election, the overprivileged woke fucker.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 19/09/2019 19:50

Live by the woke
Die by the woke

Honestly this could be straight out of Ben Elton's Identity Crisis book!

Inebriati · 19/09/2019 19:53

I can assure you that blackface was generally considered offensive in 2001.
The Black and White Minstrels was cancelled long before that, and
a good 20 years before, at least one museum I know of was accepting various types of golliwog and similar items to remove them from public sale.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 19/09/2019 19:54

'It's not that simple though is it. Blackface has only been understood to be offensive in recent years. Doesn't make it ok, but you just didn't know to even consider if it was wrong before'

The Black and White Minstrel Show was pulled for being offensive in 1978. 1978! Even allowing for Canada being a bit behind us on race related issues (surely not? I am fairly sure they have been far ahead of the UK) a well educated young man from a politically aware household is going to have picked up more than just an inkling by 2001!

Goosefoot · 19/09/2019 19:55

Normally my hackles go up when someone starts ranting about cultural appropriation, but that really did seem like it.

I don't really believe that you can appropriate culture, I don't think ideas can belong to people, or groups of people. But that trip was really, really embarrassing. Like the Indian PM coming here and dressing up like a lumberjack. He looked like a dork.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 19/09/2019 19:55

If it was 1971 instead of 2001 maybe...

64sNewName · 19/09/2019 19:55

Blackface has only been understood to be offensive in recent years. Doesn't make it ok, but you just didn't know to even consider if it was wrong before

Off topic to an extent, but IME that just isn’t accurate. I’ve known from certainly my early 1990s university days, if not before, that it was totally not ok - same with my friends - it wouldn’t have happened.

I was living in the US at that point and knew plenty of Canadians. I am confident that a Canadian of JT’s background should have known perfectly well it was dodgy as hell.

nettie434 · 19/09/2019 19:56

There was an interview on Radio 4 PM earlier with a person who said the 1st complaint about the Black and Wite Minstrel Show was sent to the BBC in 1966. I think somebody supposedly as aware as Trudeau should have known in 2001 it was insensitive. I also think some of the debates in Canada go back a long way - like using 1st Nation or Indigenous people.